LCD Death Mage

Discussion in 'Latest Chapter Discussion' started by lygarx, May 21, 2017.

  1. Katherine

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    magic are made out of mana, the mana scatter and erased when touch him, or even before touch him if he have that skill, beside magic attack, Curse like Petrification will also invalid, Genjutsu/ Illusion will also Invalid, debuff will also invalid, just imagine it as a boss monster that you can't Damaged and CC when it using certain skill, or entering Invincible mode when entering Story mode or casting some Magic/ Skill that let the boss entering Invincible mode .
     
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    Magic resist is useful for element resistances provided the attacks come from magic. Sure the other reincarnators aren’t likely to cause lightning damage through mundane means. But fire damage? Oh so many ways. Plus if they take a little time and find the right metals 1200F isn’t a hard goal to reach. Heck possible they could break the 10,000F line if they don’t mind igniting all the air.

    Van and crew are preparing full paranoid convinced that anything is possible. So why turn down extra resistances?
     
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    I don't believe Van has attempted this or even thought to attempt this feat. We have to remember; his overall knowledge which spans over 30 years is about the equivalent of first or second year middle or high school student. It's not that he can't perform such things as you mentioned it's that he doesn't know the process or even outright know that he may be capable of such a feat. Van's knowledge is limited to what he learned in school, on television and from the souls of the scientists of Origin.

    Magic Immunity/Nullification would eliminate the spell the moment it makes contact; this would include all phenomena related to the spell whether natural or unnatural. This is due to the fact said phenomena is brought forth by magic; it's powered by mana. This is why status effects would also be negated as the mana that would create and sustain them would be extinguished by Magic Immunity/Nullification which by definition eliminate or prevents any and all phenomena created by magic. Now if a you create fires from missed shots of a fireball spell; then one could argue that these flames are no longer a paranormal phenomena but a natural phenomena and could potentially damage Van. But would one take the effort to waste their mana in creating collateral damage that would do far less damage then the spell that was used to create it? I think not; there are far more efficient methods such as physical and psychological attacks. Magic is just one of many forms of attack; eliminating one method of damage does not eliminate all methods.

    I agree; let alone Van, anyone in Lambda with half a brain should take whatever resistances are available to them that would prove useful in the long run. But you have to remember; it takes a great deal of time to acquire resistances. Look at the vampires Elenora and Miles, it took dozens upon dozens of blood potions and days if not weeks to acquire even one level of sunlight resistance. Acquiring a resistance is only half the battle (and a long one at that) one must also raise the resistance to a level where it will prove effect in combat and everyday life.
     
  4. Katherine

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    Well, Legion can help him, but he still not ask about it until now and legion also not tell him yet, we need the Author to make an Episode about that, and Luciliano will also very happy getting that important knowledge. And this knowledge can also be applied to any weapon an armor, they can also trying to make a new powerful metal similar how to create a Superalloy and others Mixed-up metals for stronger, tougher, stretchier alloys.:blobhero:
     
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    Leveling up resistance skills involves hurting yourself in a particular manner over and over again, so I don't think anyone can be blamed for lacking them...
     
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    It's a bit criminal though that neither van or the vampires are training those skils though, since they have both the resistances AND high speed regeneration, plus the blood potion. Stop friendly fire! style.
    Also, van should have definitely worked more on silent and simultaneous casting given he was practically made to spam spells using those skills.
     
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    What do you mean, that's all he does he's never (since gaining silent cast) cast a spell with the chant.

    Masochist op please Nerf!
     
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    Yes, but has he ever, after he first did it when he was a toddler, just gone out of his way to spend days on end spamming spells with all his heads and silently. He did it at first when he first got those two skills, but the stopped because he got busy. But now he sometimes has months on end free to train. Not to gain lvs necessatily but just abuse his absurd mp pool. Which would also train his mana regen skills.
    Like, spam his ghost elemental magic simultaneously and silently at his vamps who in turn spam their magic at him while getting supplemented by his magic, like he once did to zadiris, which is how SHE got those two casting skills.
    And, while doing that, share his mana with as many peeps as he simultaneously can to train his parallel skills and mana, and thos geting fed with his mana get to also spam magic to train.
     
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    Van isn't the training freak kind of character. His power gains are all very passive and nonchalant.

    Actually, all his actions are very passive and nonchalant, but that's a whole different story.
     
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    Legions knowledge (Hitomi excluded) is even less than that of Van's as they spent most of their lives as guinea pigs in the laboratory in Origin. Hell; one of them is an actual bear. They most likely have a cluster of information gathered hastily and with many assumptions that was gathered after they were freed. Remember; their primary goal after breaking out was to perform the most glorious suicide ever shown while taking out as many Bravers as possible. I believe gathering knowledge for improving their scientific prowess was not even on their to do list. and Luciliano's knowledge is limited to that of Lambda's which under Alda's rule is equivalent to the pre-revolution France. Van and his allies simply lack the basic knowledge to even think of modifying at an atomic level; right now Van is just starting to test things out on a microscopic level with him bacteria. Perhaps in time he may learn to do so through trial and error; but I believe that will take hundreds if not thousands of years (which Van has plenty of).

    I believe Van and his allies aren't all that focused on building up resistances as they are more offense oriented when it comes to single combat. In large siege battles and military battles; yes, defense comes into play for them but even them it relies mostly on physical fortification through defensive equipment and physical abilities. From what I can tell; Van and his allies simply don't put much focus into resistances as they prefer to eliminate the enemy before they themselves are hit.

    Van actually doesn't have as much free time as you think. He is continually creating new foods, tools, laws, etc for the betterment of his kingdom. Even when he was going through the Trial of Zakkart; he wasn't just sitting in Sam's carriage staring off into nothing. He was thinking on all of the issues he will have to deal with during and after the trial. He is constantly working on plans to deal with Alda, Rodcorte, the Reincarnators, Heinz and even other nations such as the various duchies of the Orbaume Kingdom. Van may look like he has free time in between large scale events but inside his head he is actually driving himself to exhaustion in creating plans and safety measures to ensure that the wealthy and safe life he desires for himself and his people can continue. With all of that he still manage's to somehow include training for himself in the use of his magic, experimentation of new undead and looking after his mothers growing body. We haven't even taken into account the frequent meetings he has with the gods of Vida's side; because I'm certain that Van is the type of person who would consult with them on a regular basis in regards to how to proceed with anything he may believe as questionable in his allies eyes. To summarize; Van actually has far too little time to get anything and everything he needs to get done but manages to make it work thus far.
     
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    I really worried that the reincarnators on van's faction might revolt, because I honestly don't feel that they're trustworthy and most if not all reincarnators are selfish and won't hesitate to get rid of van if they feel like he'll lose, or at least change factions against him.
     
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    So, we are back to 2-3 weeks of release time? -_-
     
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    You know maybe sometimes we need someone to drag Densuke here to answer our questions about how certain skills work...
     
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    I mean, the guidance skill makes them loyal to Van and even made them not find Legion particularly abhorrent or anything, even though they knew the people who Legion once was. That triple guidance skill definitely changes people/monsters at their very soul, as evidenced by their drastic shift in values and the shift over to another reincarnation circle.

    I'm also worried that they'd do something stupid, but it would definitely be a well-intentioned mistake if it happened. They're clearly very loyal.
     
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    Van Want Some of her Muscle and Transformation

    That kind of Muscle is called Pink Musle by Akisame Kōetsuji
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    Not something like this
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    so he can still be Handsome, Slim and Packed with Pink Muscle.
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    @Ghost-Plant called it right on this notion, Van is not passive at all. You are also correct though, he doesn't do a whole lot of active training. However, this does not mean his strength gain is passive.

    Van is constantly active to the extent that he creates clones of himself in order to get more done in a single day, and every single one of his clones work at a rate that would make most people loose their minds. Van does not seem to even know the meaning of the term "take a rest." Thing is though, all of his efforts are dedicated to cooking, alchemy, caring for his subordinates, or civil engenering (building houses or other infrastructure with golems) This does not leave a lot of time for him to train himself in combat.

    Fortunately for Van, he has the truly ludicrous cheat that he doesn't actually have to train himself. He gains levels by watching other people train. This is the one truly passive thing about his strength gain. However, he DOES still have to expend effort to level up abilities.

    (also, the level and scale of his enemies are getting to a point where he levels up just by taking a few steps, so his growth rate has been increasing in speed lately. Also, remember, Van's receiving a big penalty right now on his stats for being pre-pubescent.)
     
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    Are you sure about that strength gain by watching?
    I thought he could only earn xp from monsters his party members killed because of the curse

    And Van does train his combat skillls it's mentioned every now and then
    Considering how scarred he is of being attacked and his lust for revenge it would be weirder if he didn't
     
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    To van "rest" just means either his main body or one of his spirit clones is sitting/standing still or sleeping...
     
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    I think that's what he meant by gaining levels through watching. After all to gain experience through his subordinate he need to have that particular subordinate within his sight.
     
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    yeah that mades sense