LCD Death Mage

Discussion in 'Latest Chapter Discussion' started by lygarx, May 21, 2017.

  1. Feng Tian

    Feng Tian Well-Known Member

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    Calling him a rogue god isn't that wrong. He has the most gods on his side, but they are all garbage. ALL the greater gods which are even remotely active have sided with Vida and are fucking with him in one way or the other. Many of Aldas current subordinates will gtfo the instant their masters are back in action, and as is they are likely to side with Vida. As @sjmcc13 pointed out they have quite a few reasons to ressent him. And he certainly is not doing well in any regard.
     
  2. CountryMage

    CountryMage [XSanguine8] not my blood...

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    He's still the God of Order/Law and Light, you have to prove he isn't upholding his responsibilities, otherwise he retains the ability to bind and wound the other gods.
     
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  3. sjmcc13

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    He attacked Vida rather then first trying to talk things out, usurped her authority. stole her divinity, and then proceeded to bind her in a state of torture for 100 millennia, doing nothing to correct the "madness" he saw in her, while letting her be belittled and derided by the masses.

    He has not been upholding his responsibilities for a long while because he has not punished the biggest criminal god, himself.

    Alda simply never had the authority make up laws on his own, or to do what he did to Vida. He knows he is not always right but needed to compromise and work with her. Knowing this he instead demanded everything got 100% his way and got violent to enforce his will.

    Also, he betrayed all the Gods who switched sides in the war, and were a major part of why it was winnable in the first place.
     
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  4. CountryMage

    CountryMage [XSanguine8] not my blood...

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    He can't kill Vida, even if he had the ability, for the same reason that Vida doesn't want Van killing any greater gods, the world would end. Alda severely injured Vida, took her authorities, and sullied her name, to give her a several millennia timeout; basically making her sit in a corner thinking about what she has done. He doesn't recognize any changes to the world order, why would he accept any of the Evil Gods, who corrupt the world with their very presence?
     
  5. Digital Gent

    Digital Gent Well-Known Member

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    A bit late in noticing this chapter but, four chapters in a month? Yoshi is really spoiling us!

    Oh, and this chapter was nice. Always fun seeing how the "Common Folk" of Lambda react to Van's antics. Oh and boy, that guard Aggar is really good at burying his own grave without even knowing it.
     
  6. tirirism

    tirirism He who dealt it

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    Withdrawal kicking in. FeelsBadMan :(:cry:
     
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  7. Bondage Radish

    Bondage Radish Well-Known Member

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    Uh, Alda accepts changes to the world order all the time, my dude.

    > Adding new gods to the pantheon?
    Well, he needed more hands to run the world so it was okay for him.

    > Abusing his authority to make the Amid Empire a weapon against Vandalieu?
    Well, he needed a military presence in the world so it’s okay for him.

    > Considering reconciling with Vida’s races?
    Well, having believers convert because of his prejudice would put his authority at risk, so it’s okay for him.

    You’re free to try to rationalize it if you want, but all those events demonstrate his “law” and “order” are only for his convenience.

    Similarly, the existence of the Evil Gods was also convenient for him during the war against Guduranis, which is why he permitted them to exist at the time. Naturally, Alda being Alda, he promptly attacked them once they outlived their usefulness. Alda stopped treating the Evil Gods as combatants during the war and only decided they were combatants again after all once the war was over. Oh, but not immediately. No sir, he waited until he was good and ready. He had plenty of opportunities before then, but he chose to attack when it was convenient.

    Now, if he weren’t using them as tools, he would have done more than criticize accepting their defection. He would have seen them the same as Guduranis and physically attacked them without hesitation. The fact that he waited until the war against Vida to attack them proves that he wasn’t concerned with what their presence does to the world or he would have tried to eliminate them even before they created races with Vida. If the “corruption” they caused was so pressing and so dangerous, it would have been all the more reason not to accept their defection and attack them while the war still continued.

    So, now that we know “corruption” isn’t an acceptable excuse, “why would he accept any Evil Gods?” Because they were on his side. Because they had helped him save the world from complete annihilation. Because they wanted to help him rebuild the world into a place they could live together. Pick one. Either way, the fact that he betrayed out the foreign gods still stands.
     
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  8. CountryMage

    CountryMage [XSanguine8] not my blood...

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    While they are still at war with Gudaranis, he does not have the leeway to start a war on another front. He also waited quite a while, from the mortal pov, after that war before attacking Vida, or her allies. Vida's people had time to help rebuild quite a bit, before they got ambushed, Muscle Wizard Vampire's testimony says so. So either Bellwood reached his limit of letting Zakkart introduce technology, or enough dissenting Gods had succumbed to their injuries, and gone into hibernation or exile, so Alda could force a majority push into attacking Vida. Though it's more likely that it took that long for Rodcorte to point out that a full genocide would be needed to remove Gudaranis' and Vida's alterations to the cycle of reincarnation.

    Also, all the new gods are expected to reinforce the status quo, the Divine realms on the Alda side are severely understaffed, and have been for a hundred thousand years now, plus another hit (what was it?) fifty thousand years ago, when they chased out Vida. He may want to welcome help from the Evil Gods, but he knows he's gonna start hunting them down, as soon as Vida's time out finally convinces her to put an end to her foolishness, and come back into the fold.
     
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    The ascension of outstanding mortals and the creation of subordinate gods was something that happened before DK too. So it is in line with the old world order.

    That is a temporary measure and not a change to the world order. And in old times God's lead mortals, so no problem at all.

    Was that ever an option for him? That was always on his list just the priority wasn't that high.

    That is called priorities. DK is higher than evil god. And for the second part, getting ready always comes before fighting.
     
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  10. Bondage Radish

    Bondage Radish Well-Known Member

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    Then you admit change is part of the world order therefore his reasons to deny the participation of evil gods in the world order is arbitrary.

    The new order after the war against Vida is that gods don’t rule over mortals directly. This is an example of him changing the order again at his convenience. Part of the problem is that his nebulous definition of “order” allows him to make arbitrary judgments about what should and shouldn’t be normal.

    That was never not an option for him. He’s considering right now, in fact. What changed over the course of his genocide that he decided to accept them? Oh right: his followers started accepting them so he has to accept them too in order not to lose followers.

    What? No it’s not. He went from fighting all foreign gods at the same time as the Demon King, then permitted the ones to defect in order to aid the war effort, then attacked them. If they were the immediate threat he made them out to be, he would have attacked them all at the same time. The war would simply have never ended.

    He didn’t need to prepare, he was taking advantage of their sense of security and their belief that he had come to terms with them. He then proceeded to scrub their contributions to the war effort from history so that his followers wouldn’t see him in a negative light as a traitor (which he, by definition, is) toward gods that trusted him at least to leave them be.
     
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  11. CountryMage

    CountryMage [XSanguine8] not my blood...

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    All the Gods were weakened by the war, they can't manifest themselves on the ground, and therefore cannot directly affect people. So he didn't scrub them from history, mortal memories did. People don't even know that his book was a god.
     
  12. Bondage Radish

    Bondage Radish Well-Known Member

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    1. That’s exactly my point. He was already fighting multiple evil gods. As I said above, he would have simply not ceased to fight them unless he was using them all along. To that end, if they were the threat he said they were, the war wouldn’t have ended there but continued after.
    2. Zakkart, Ark, Hillwillow, and Solder were all dead before the war ended.
    3. There never needed to be a genocide. Vida’s system can exist parallel to Rodcorte’s. But that trample’s on Alda’s arbitrary definition of order that I’ve already demonstrated he breaks at his own convenience.

    That’s a false assumption. Vida wasn’t being foolish at all. She was trying to create stronger races to live parallel to, and if need be protect, the world population that had been reduced to a few thousand. The lack of genetic diversity could have easily led to a plague wiping out the survivors even before the monsters could do so. That they did so is irrelevant: Vida chose the path that would lead to a populated world once more. She chose the correct answer to a major population shortage.
     
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    Bondage Radish Well-Known Member

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    Bellwood was the one responsible for wiping the evil gods from written history. He did so with Alda’s blessing.

    Alda literally just told them who the next pope needs to be. How is that not directly affecting people?
     
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  14. CountryMage

    CountryMage [XSanguine8] not my blood...

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    Yes, they were dead, and then Zakkart's body was reanimated during the war, Vampires joined the fight.
    From Alda's point of view Vida legitimized the monster's existence, making the domains a natural part of the world, and her cycle of reincarnation is a shoddy add-on that can only be removed by her seeing sense, and shutting it down, or him wiping out all the souls that are on it.
     
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    CountryMage [XSanguine8] not my blood...

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    The next pope is a very rare individual, who has the ability to hear the voice of Alda, still not his exact words, but better than most oracles.
     
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    Good news people:blobparty:. The next chapter is almost out. All we need to do is wait for the spell check and editing I believe:hmm:. Thank you yoshi and sebas and lnb for their hard work.
     
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    yaaaay (with the voice of a bearded 6-foot man).
     
  18. jemini

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    :facepalm: Once again, Yoshi's translated chapter release seems to SOMEHOW coincide perfectly with Densuke's RAW chapter release. Although, it looks like they might actually miss on it this time. If it's not up in the next few hours, it will actually land the day after the RAW chapter for the first time in quite a while.
     
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    New chapter is out
     
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    I've posted the next chapter, so enjoy the look into Morksi's underground workings while under Van.
     
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