Discussion Desolate era karmic Virtue and Batman

In desolate era there is karmic Vurtue in which everything you do affects it like when ji ning was dying and gave all his money to kids he got good virtue but lord cui said that had he given it to adults it wouldnt have been good.So im wondering how like batman captures his villains(Joker) alive only to have them escape and kill more people affects his karmic virtue in a good or bad way. I would think it affects it in a bad way cause hes allowing it to continue.What do you guys Think?

 

Because he's Batman. It's more 'dramatic' than karmic when it's about Batman.

 

Obviously but that doesn't answer his question either affirmatively or negatively.

If the joker (or whoever) escapes and Batman has, generally, done his best to secure him accordingly then anything the Joker does after that point is his own karma. Especially cause I feel like batman doesn't personally jail these badguys himself, they usually go to the aslyum or the police etc.. then they escape from them.

Batman is essentially farming virtue/karma indirectly in this manner. There is neutral karma sown through their interactions/escapes/escapades. They have karma together. But as far as karmic sin or karmic merit or virtue etc... batman is more or less farming good virtue/karma.


Edit: I'm not an expert on this stuff and I'm not by any stretch chinese or educated in eastern spiritual stuff. But I have read DE in its entirety and I read or have read most of the other stories on all the big sites and have, I feel, a fair grasp of how that all works generally across the stories.

 

You stole my comment...

 

If he knows they'll escape then it's malicious and no longer good karma

 

He can't necessarily know that. And the police or aslyum generally make best faith efforts to secure them. That's how that works. They're allowed to try to escape, that's their karma.

 

Like the Monkey King story. He got locked up by what's his name not killed. Even if he escaped he would have just been locked up again to give him more time to repent etc...

 

Well Batman is like other superheroes of it's time made in the image that their 'justice' is non subjective and everyone has to get their chances to change their ways even if said people raped your lover and destroyed her uterus permanently. Even if they're completely crazy. His action weren't wrong actually only it's follow up were weak. If you want them jailed for life you shouldn't entrusted them to corrupt police forces and law enforcements that acquitted the murderer of your parent.
Very dramatic.

 

Batman truly does his best to lock up bad guys, once arrested, his causality ends, his good karma is collected
next is the incompetent justice system that keeps letting them escape that accumulate bad karma, Batman himself is not at fault, no bad karma to Batman

might be a bad Karma loop for the Arkham prison and asylum, they keep letting bad guys escape, keep piling up bad karma, making it harder to keep bad guys locked in the future, letting them escape and accumulating more bad karma

and the bad guys can never wins with their own bad karma, against the good karma farmer Batman

 

Tales of Herding Gods- a buddha is keeping a demon chained but lets it eat humans so that when he deals with it, he gets more merit.

If Batman was a xianxia, it would probs be the same.

 

I wouldn't think that would affect batman badly, as isn't karma about your direct involvement in things, not indirectly or down the line, or the ripple effect. As even thought Ji Ning gave children all of his money, they mightnot be capable and therefore some shady guy could extort the kids and make their lives worse. So jokers karma would take a hit, since his the one doing it.

On that note, what kind of karma would batman get for training robins? exposing kids to dangerous situations, but also giving them a better live than they were living

 

Karma in DE doesn't seem to care about what you could have done or what your intentions are, only about actual results. Someone pushes an innocent person in front of your sword swing and you can't stop in time, so you accidentally kill them? Lots of bad karma for you, a little bit of bad karma for the one who pushed the person.

So what matters is the effect of Batman's actions. If temporarily imprisoning villains keeps them from doing bad things for a while, lowering the total amount of crime, that would get him karmic merit. If imprisoning them somehow makes things worse, that would lose him some merit.

 

It would be positive because Booster Gold created an alternate timeline where Bruce never became Batman and everything was a million times worse than when he does

 

It can also be said that Batman have severe contradictory action at the end of his works where he'll rather be less pragmatic to just entrusted them to unreliable entity like their city police force. If i were Batman I'd constructed my own superjail to host supervillains.

 

It's not bad karma if batman does it in good conscience thinking that joker will never escape...

 

Given that the traditional thought on karma and karmic judgement is based on absolutes, the back-and-forth issue with western-style Superheroes and Villains would never happen. You'd never have a superhero that simply captures a villain and turns them over to the authorities knowing that the villain would escape in some number of days or weeks and have to start the cycle all over again.

Instead you'd only get the karma you deserve by putting the entire matter to rest. Either by killing the villain, or joining the villain. Being wishy-washy in your actions is considered in most Asian cultures to be a cowardly act, and thus grants negative karma all its own. So our western-style heroes would probably be laughed right out of town.

Except for Evil Superman. He's pretty cool, and makes a great villain. (a la Injustice 2)

 

The Judges and batman sew bad karma because all of them should have gotten the death penalty

 

I'd say he gets bad karma, killing isn't seen as a sinful thing per se as long as the one being killed is evil in the DE universe (in which people who actively hunt sinners actually GAIN good karma), so Batman, while his intentions are good (probably), he still chooses to spare evildoers time and time again, knowing that they've already escaped multiple times already, causing more and more victims and suffering in the long term. And Batman isn't an idiot, he knows that, but he'll keep doing that, because it gives him satisfaction for his own sense of 'justice'. Even so, at least his intentions were sort of good at least for the short term, even with his half-heartedness, so it's difficult to say where he would stand in terms of karma. But it's probably closer to bad karma.

 

Yes, but it's a question of Batman's intent. If he realizes he's farming karmic virtue, then it's malicious. Plot armor would kick in first, but still

 

and, that would be super illegal and directly shut down by the government

remember: Batman is a VIGILANTE, his actions are outside the boundaries of the law and tolerated only because he let the legal justice system do its job, Batman does not have a permit to kill, nor to jail people, the most he can do is save people and deliver villains to the authorities, he is not an agent of the government, he cannot do more than that

it's not his fault if the justice system is deficient and corrupted, the crimes of the criminals are not on his hands, it wasn't his job to catch them in the first place, he could be like any other rich people and just enjoy life and also give his political support to good people in hope the future elected people are better, he could save not a single life and not get any karma at all from any criminals

compared to that, he does save lives and he does stop criminals, even if temporarily, regardless of how you sees it, compared to the neutral karma where he does nothing and things get worse, his actions are a net positive all across the board, granting him good karma