Spoiler Duchess of the Glass House

I think actions speak for themself and he did what he did so I won't justify him. In the battle for succession, in the beginning he and his brother would have been on an even footing to compete for it but the FL and her father took that away. The fact that they would support him if he married her, its likely that if he refused her father would have instead supported his brother. So they stole that fair battle from him. So anything achievements he made or efforts he made to prove himself became worthless. Maybe he really wanted to be the Head of the household and the fact that FL family became involved he was left with no choice. He may not have cared about the engagement but rather the fact that they manipulated the battle for succession. But again.. speculation.

As for why he didn't stay with her. If you don't like someone, would you stay beside them? He told her before she's the master of her own life and she should value it. So I also think that will be the basis of his mindset ie. That you should do things for yourself and not rely on others to make changes happen in your life. But instead she was relying on him to change everything without doing anything for herself. Even getting a doctor, if the author wants to be true to it being a historical based novel, then unfortunately mental illness would have been something that wasn't well known or even have an appropriate treatment. It's only recently that this is starting to be addressed. So with that in mind, no one would have known what was happening to her or why she was behaving the way she was.

As for Sophie, I imagine that the ML would have at least viewed her as a friend or confidant seeing as they were previously engaged and she was also a victim of FL family manipulation and would have "understood" how he felt. However, clearly from the little information we have of her she was more capable of manipulating this trust and probably wormed her way into the house under the guise of concern for the MLs son not having a mother figure.

But these are only my speculations so I think I'll sit back and watch how this novel develops!

 

Just the first 3 chapters like upsadaisy. Not really sure if you could still access it

 

The father is a total scumbag.

Spoiler

He is still trying to torment fl.

Brother is not blaming fl. But he cant do something for her because of the father ig.

 

Technically, they weren't on equal footing since he's the second son unless in their kingdom, they look at who's more better to inherit. So the brother being the first already was an advantage over him

 

it all would have made sense if only they weren’t the household of one of the 2 dukes in their country. None of the aristocratic ladies change diapers for their kids. At least MC was staring at a kid and not sending it into a separate building and seeing only during family events as it sometimes is shown in other novels of this genre.

As for the hate towards ML - it’s based on the first chapters and written this way for us to have more emotions while we read. We see everything from MC’s pov and don’t know the truth. But with the way it’s written it makes us all feel angst and cry for MC and her circumstances, so we forget that there’s also a big world of what ML knows and can say. And we’ll get to know ML’s pov usually around the second half of the story and it’s up to the writer’s mastery if it looks like whitewashing or a legit reason.

If the spoiler above about the ex manipulating everyone is true then nothing can be done or said, ML will be a victim. This world has magic too, maybe the ex is a witch or just bought some potion to have everything her way. MC’s physical health started to decline after the ex came to the house, so she most definitely poisoned MC or put a curse on her. From what I see the ex is definitely an antagonist, but we don’t know anything about the husband yet, except for the fact that him approaching MC is sketchy and that later in MC’s pov it looked like he was hating her for ruining his engagement.

 

Honestly what's disappointing for me is the usual Mc going back to Ml even after the pain she had to go through._.like "I promise not to love him anymore and would never cross paths with him" but in the end she marries him again plot and like yeah frick those pain I went through cause of him like I didn't get my child taken,ignored my whole life,etc._.welp can't help it that's the usual things they put on stories nowadays.Also there's magic in this timeline theres a 50/50 chance blacky haired woman might have put a curse or atleast made her child hate her own mom.I'm not gonna drop this yet as I still haven't seen the whole story and it's only 3 chapters this isn't oneshot;v;so I'm going to keep reading it until I really find it detestable halfway.Im also here to just see the Ml crying too<.<and btw that black thing that was haunting her in her dreams seems sus.I feel like it's magic or somethin.....welp let's just see.

 

Umm, since you're aware that this is based in a historical setting, then you should also know that in those times women didn't have equal rights to men. Sure, it's easy for the ML to have that kind of mindset since as a man (and a noble at that) society allows him to have more input when it comes to his life. Unfortunately, women don't have that kind of option. Society teaches men to have pride and self-worth while conditioning the opposite sex to be silent and submissive. Girls are limited as to what they can do and achieve, and if they break away from expectations and norms (like prioritizing what they want over what the men want) they literally get punished and oppressed further to 'put them in their place.' How is MC supposed to know how to value herself when she grew up in an environment where she's taught to be inferior/worthless her whole life and her only inherent value is to be pawned off to a beneficial alliance? Her own trashy father isn't helping in that regard either.

As for the marriage, ML wasn't forced or left without a choice he's a nobleman - he knew what he was doing when he entered a marriage of convenience. Underhanded tactics and manipulation are all part of politics, especially if you want to be the successor for the duke position. Expecting a 'fair' fight is extremely naïve as all authority figures need the backing of other influential groups to maintain power. So yes, he definitely would lose to his brother without MC's father's backing because that's just how succession and politics work. It was and never will be a fair fight to begin with, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a choice. If he truly cared/loved his fiancée he could've rejected the offer even if meant giving up the inheritance, but he agreed to marry MC to be the duke so he bears the responsibility of his own decision. It's just that he couldn't have his cake and eat it too (become duke and also marry his ex) because he isn't capable of achieve his goals on his own without sacrificing something else.

Even if he didn't like MC he is still legally her husband and has responsibilities. He may not have physically abused MC but neglecting and allowing her to be abused by someone else when he's in a position to stop or do something about it (he's the duke for crying out loud) makes him just as guilty. As her husband and duke, not allowing his duchess to be antagonized and disrespected by the servants in his own household is the bare minimum expected of him. He knew she was unstable, he should've improved her situation or at least not let his pregnant wife be surrounded by people who would stress her out because pregnancy puts a huge strain on the body. I'm pretty sure that even people back then knew that a pregnant person could lose a baby/die when put under extreme duress so ML's irresponsibility is inexcusable.

Honestly, whenever MLs make terrible decisions that ruin their relationships/life their unstable mental health and tragic situation is always used as a shield regardless if they had hurt someone else because of it, so people tell those who criticize their flaws to be more 'understanding and forgiving' of their actions even if their mistake stemmed from their own incompetence and lack of social skills. If it was another character or villain who does similar things people have no problem hating and cursing them for their stupidity and lack of empathy.

Imagine if the roles were reversed and it was MC in a position of power and authority who neglected the unstable ML, allowed him to be treated like crap by their servants, and let him wither and die due to stress/mental illness in some remote place after taking and giving his child to her scheming ex, whom she invited into their home, without explanation. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be given the same 'wait-and-see before you judge' treatment like most cold husband characters. People wouldn't be moved by her regrets nor would they root for the ML to end up with her again in the second timeline either.

 

Spoiler: ex fiancee

Actually she is bad. In some chapter that I read there was naming ceremony something like that for El. And she did something. And ML knew it ig. Cuz he warned mc before the ceremony. Idk. And I read some comments on kakaopage. The novel is ongoing btw. If I didnt misunderstand I saw the comments of chapter 100s. They say its getting better. I guess reina will be stronger. And thats it. I dont know more.

 

based on the spoilers it seems that constant neglect and abuse that mc faced before her marriage already messed with her mind. her father was blaming her for something she had no control over and caused her to suffer from survivors guilt. in a state where you have no one who loves or cares about you, it’d be understandable that she held onto the one person who did seem to care enough to give her advice. also postpartum depression is real and it seems mc already being unstable made the effects much worse. neglect is a form of abuse you guys and it’s emotionally draining to have been told your whole life that you’re cursed. she is very strong to have not resorted to su*cide or s*lf harm in such a bad situation.

 

Thanks for sharing!

From all the small hints here & there, plus the webtoon, I feel like ML knows or may have memories from past life....

Hints:
* someone spoiled that ML may be the one who reversed the time
* also spoiled that husband regretted his negligence of MC and his trust to ex-fiancee, the ex-fiancee manipulated him and his son
* the ex-fiancee may be quite the crazy and a manipulative shit with some dark magic behind as it's proved that this world has magic and magical creatures and all this jazz
* it's quite strange that as ex-fiancee came to the mansion, MC health started to deteriorate little by little till she died
* the moment MC gave birth the ML basically throwed/popped the baby into her hands which is totally opposite to his 1TL moment when he took the baby from MC's hands
* ML being right there when MC collapsed
* ML being nervous when MC was giving birth so even the butler was surprised to see ML like this ...which means that the butler didn't expect for ML to be so involved into MC wellbeing and their child
* the crying (ML) part from the summary of the novel which doesn't add to the image that is portrayed of the ML at the beginning of the webtoon


***IMHO ML gives the vibes of a tsundere from what I can see from the webtoon so I think that MC's views from past may be a little bs

As the novel is still ongoing, well, we'll have to wait till we know the ending, and the only thing we can do here for now is find/wait some tidbits of spoilers and just make assumptions.

 

I don't know who did is in wrong it can be fl or ml or both...but I just saw the scene of MC holding her child for the first time on toki and it felt so emotional.You can feel it from her face and tears.
MC's father is real scum I am srsly wanting to kill him.

 

a little correction, in the first life ML took the kid away later, not right away after birth. If i remember correctly he didn’t have any interest in the child and wasn’t present during the labour.

 

Yes I know, it was not right after the birth but still when the boy was still a small baby, like 1 or 2 months or something, but I just wanted to outline the moment when he took the baby from MC when MC didn't even had the courage to touch the baby, and then in this 2TL he throws the baby right to her arms ...like directly touching the baby.

 

If ML remembers/has memories of the first timeline then wouldn't the cause of his change be because of those said memories and not cause he was a good husband to begin with. Which means what happened in the first timeline are completely his own, he didn't seem to be any better even before the ex showed up. If he got manipulated then he's still partly to blame for being dumb enough to fall into her schemes. If magic brainwashing is involved then ML is going down the same route as Ruve. MC's perspective isn't 'bs' because regardless of the reason, it is fact that she suffered and eventually died. The pain and injustice she experienced was real.

Having the personality of an emotionally constipated jerk isn't an excuse for the way he behaved towards MC nor does it invalidate the anger she felt towards him. If they're truly gonna make the ML regret then he better roll in the mud and work hard to redeem himself. Not just serve as a convenient McGuffin to give plot hints to MC while she shoulders the burden of actually taking down all the schemes and antagonists. MC already has enough baggage and grievances worth a lifetime as it is, she doesn't need him as excess weight.

 

In general you can't make a person love you. You can't expect their help if you've put them somehow in a difficult position previously. They are not obligated to show any warmth to you if they are displeased with you and dislike you for something.

We assume from MC's pov that ML was only indifferent and didn't abuse he mentally or physically, he just didn't care. Objectively speaking she wasn't a child to be taken care of, she was an adult who was supposed to take care of herself and deal with people according to her status. So the fact that she was delusional about having ML all to herself and that she had little life knowledge in the first life wasn't his fault. It wasn't also MC's fault, because she was isolated from the outside world and didn't know better. But it's unfair to blame all the sins on ML just because he didn't care to check on his wife more to see if she's doing okay.

It doesn't take away the fact that he behaves like a resentful sociopath who doesn't have an ounce of empathy towards the person he's connected to by the marriage vows. His actions from MC's memory are questionable, but we don't know anything about what really happened to say he should definitely be burned in hell. Let's wait for more spoilers to be sure he should I can't get rid of the idea that their first meeting wasn't an accident. Also I believe that what we see in MC's pov is just a tip of an iceberg of what had happened in reality and might have been distorted by her mental health issues.

 

At this moment I can't say much about ML. I only saw the raws up to 10 ch/s and read here some spoilers and others speculations.

The only thing I can say about ML is that his marriage to MC was his ultimate decision. Yes, MC pushed for this marriage tho not sure how much that abusive father of hers actually did/pushed for MC marriage to ML. Both families are dukes thus equal in power, ML was the 2nd son thus at a disadvantage in the race to become the heir comparing to the 1st son, even if the rules in that country is in favour for the best son to become heir and not the usual 1st born is by default the heir, still the big bro was older and had more time and thus more chances to learn, to socialise, build networks, etc, ...well imagine that 1st son started the race earlier just because he was born earlier and the 2nd started later, it's still an advantage to the 1st son. Therefore, ML as the 2nd son was slightly at disadvantage, but still he was 2nd legal son of the duke, and had power thus had the final say regarding his marriage mariage. ML already had a fiancee when MC came with the proposal, both families equal, therefore no matter how much MC had pushed, ML had the final say: stay with his current fiance or change to MC. This is how I understood for now, I don't know if ML's father interfered or had some favoritism, etc. But for now ML had the final say, thus decided to marry MC which came with a huge advantage and he became the heir to the duke. If he blames MC for the rift with his brother, 1st son, then he's a huge hypocrite. If you make a decision then own it. His attitude toward MC after marriage is unforgivable, even if MC had some moments of emotional instability, he had to respect his legal wife as a human being at least and show the necessary treatment as he was the one that ultimately accepted the marriage.

Let me make clear, MC pushing for marriage is not good but she didn't have that much power or support to actually push one-sidedly ML to marry her against his will, both families were in equal power, therefore ML also had an equal say: to refuse or accept. If ML really didn't want to marry MC then he had the power to say no. He said yes, left his previous fiancee and married MC and became duke, thus he's equally not good.

MC is just ....she needs psychological treatment. And even when MC was not that stable emotionally she still was not crazy as others claim her to be. She may not have touched the baby but for a rich dukedom there shouldn't be a lack of servants, nannies, etc. MC was still looking at her son, not abusing, not mistreating, not starving, not stopping the servants to take care of the baby. The servants were responsible for the child's care not MC, this is related to the times that the novel is set in. So I don't get why ML and the rest of the dukendom servants were so harsh towards MC. She may not touched the baby to care for him, but she didn't do anything crazy like beating or starving, she was still looking with love at him ...so I don't get why so harsh that they even took the baby from her. MC's 2nd 'mistake' was her once confronting the ex-fincee, the same ex-fiancee that ML was constantly meeting after the marriage with MC, the ex-fiancee that was seen in and out of the mansion when there was a pregnant legal wife and duchess. I think that MC finally coming once verbally calling back the ex-fiancee that what is happening is not OK is not wrong. Of course would have been better if MC talked to ML, but yeah, women. Still, MC didn't beat or publicly shame the ex-fiancee, didn't contract some mercenary or assassins to "teach a lesson" the ex-fiancee as usually happens, etc. It was just a verbal cat-fight ....even less than this. So ML coming back at MC for this is really .....a jerk move. Even if you don't love your wife, still you were legally wedded, she's pregnant with your child, you claim that she will be the only wife and their child his only heir, and you still meet with the ex-fiancee ...dude, really? Can't you meet your ex-fiancee somewhere outside not bring her to the mansion? At least show some dignity for a duke, some façade at least till MC gave birth. At least not for MC but the baby in her stomach. It's not like she made the baby alone. If you feel guilty, OK, good for you, but damn, coming back at your wife that you agreed to marry, come on. Imagine if MC had an ex-lover coming in and out of the mansion ....lol, pretty sure the duke would've killed him or berate MC to have some dignity as a married duchess.

So, IMHO, I don't get why they were so harsh towards MC. I feel sad for MC in 1TL. Compared to other "evil duchesses" I read, MC here is an angel lol. Yeah, she's emotionally unstable considering her childhood, but not crazy to the point to take her child away and 'imprison' her for years. ML made a decision so he had to own it, he did not. I don't know if other forces were involved, the ex-fiancee is fishy AF and shameless AF, plus add here that there's magic, spirits and all that jazz, which means that a lot of underhanded methods were possible.

I'm usually 50/50 when a story comes only from one side, an abused MC narrative. So I can't make much assumption for now, I need at least some more glimpses or inner monologues from ML's perspective to make some more opinions, the webtoon didn't give much on the ML. I only feel that 2TL ML is kinda a tsundere and may have memories from 1TL, webtoon didn't show much from 1TL also, so this is only a *feel*...

 

Guys, I love all you of guys discussions and passionate debates and heated opinions about the story and characters, but can I get some actual spoilers, like what happens in the novel and how does the ML and MC relationship progress ? And what about the child ?

 

I agree that ML isn't obligated to genuinely love the MC or show her affection, but that doesn't mean he should be neglectful to the point of things escalating as it did. He doesn't need to love her but he has to ensure her well-being since well he married her and got her pregnant with his child. Not to mention that he's the one benefitting from their arrangement the most anyways.

If ML isn't obligated to care or be a decent human to MC for putting him in a difficult position then it would only be fair to say that MC isn't obligated to forgive or be nice to him in the new timeline either. While I don't think he deserves to burn in hell, I do believe he needs to earn his redemption and not give the usual cop out excuse of 'well they're in love now, so all is forgiven' as an easy way out like most stories do.

Though, I admit that my distaste for ML is somewhat due to the fact that he kinda reminds me of another duke character from the novel 'I don't love you anymore' Duke Wist(r)ash. And quite frankly, without his ML status he would be on the same boat as that guy. Luckily for him he is the ML and won't get kicked to the curb by MC and a new better love interest, so he won't be joining Stupidshoe and the rest of the terrible former husband gang at their dinner table.

 

EDIT1: Do you all really think that ML coincidentally meeting MC at the greenhouse is ...coincidental? I mean, what is the 2nd son of 1st duke, that is competing with his brother for duke heir position, wandering around the greenhouse of another duke where he meets the 2nd duke only daughter that everyone in high society knows is a 'disgrace' and abused by her own father? And when ML meets the MC he says those words of sympathy ....so different in comparison with how all other nobles laughs at her. This is fishy AF.

EDIT2: IF and say again IF this 'coincidental' 1st meeting of ML with MC is a scheme of ML to get the only duke daughter as a marriage partner so he can get a huge advantage and become heir of his father duke, then him being manipulated and becoming a puppet by the ex-fiancee (as someone spoiled about 1TL) ....this is what I call karma bitch hahaha. At the same time, if this crazy theory of mine has some truth ...then ML manipulating an abused and starving for love noble lady, but then him being later manipulated by his ex-fiancee who's a pampered noble lady with some shady tricks and ideas ...well, it only shows that ML is not that smart at all, quite vice-versa actually.

EDIT3: I don't think that sh*t of a father actually did push/demand ML father for a marriage agreement, but even if he did (maybe he thought that he can finally get out of the eyes the daughter who 'killed his wife' ....he's just pure crazy) then do you think that ML father, a powerful duke, is a pushover? There's only two dukes in the country, both are equal in power and prestige, do you think ML father will let another duke, who is basically a competitor if not enemy but pretty sure not friends, come and demand a marriage with his daughter who everyone know is a 'disgrace' ...do you think ML father, a noble duke will let someone demand him do something if it's not royal family? Of course not. Same with ML, no one (maybe only the royal family but still questionable) could push him marry against his will, not even his father, and pretty sure not MC father or MC herself that was abused even by the servants. So ML agreeing to the marriage is very consensual IMHO.

 

I think the Ml who reverses time cuz he is helping the MC now
will i feel sorry for him cuz he's doing his best to let the MC have a happy life but that only mean he know what he did in the past was wrong
(It's only my way of thinking when she said in preview that she know everything he has done but still hate him does make sense now so maybe she know that he was the one who reverses time )