Discussion I am starting to hate Japanese novels

Discussion in 'Novel General' started by Darkcrow., Jul 3, 2019.

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  1. Kuro_0ni

    Kuro_0ni Cocooned in a Life transition

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    You could just look into another genre or something, there's actually quite a good deal of stuff out there, just not enough translators to breath some life in them.
     
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  2. asriu

    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    I pass that phase when cn wn start to pop up to hmm more reader
    imo most wn is just like that
     
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    Readers who know the language and read the raws off the original sites are much more fortunate in this aspect, no need to wait a long time for a good novel to get picked up (if at all), translated or completed.You just search a bit for some quality stuff,get some snacks and kick your feet up!
     
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    How would you know that he was just reading web novels though and not light novels as well?
    And it isn't like the chinese novels being translated are all professionally edited either.
     
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    Wujigege *Christian*SIMP*Comedian

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    It is pretty obvious.
    Qidian actually pays the authors, there is standard for quality.
    The novels also need to be very popular to become VIP
    which means there are actually good.
    Novels on Syosetu that get translated can be so bad that publishers ignored them and readers dont even want them.

    A novel with millions of votes on Qidian vs a novel that one translator picks because of personal feelings.
    I would bet on the novel on Qidian to be of better quality.
    It is the same with Korean novels, the standard is much higher than your average Syosetu novel.
    After all, it is actually a paid product
     
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    Not all translated chinese novels are from Qidian and not all translated Qidian novels are VIP.
    And believe it or not, not all chinese translators are picking novels by popularity.
    The person you quoted mentioned neither Syosetu nor Qidian, all he mentioned was CN and JP novels broadly, so while your argument could possibly apply, it could just as well be completely inapplicable.
    I'm not even trying to defend the person you replied to, all I'm saying is he overgeneralized too much for any real argument to be made.
     
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    Wujigege *Christian*SIMP*Comedian

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    Qidian is just a good example.
    It doesn't have to be Qidian, be it 17k, Zongheng or SFACG .
    The novels currently translated are all VIP.
    I have found very few that aren't like Digital Life but the majority are which is the opposite for Japanese novels.
    My point still stands.
    Chinese novels are for commercial consumption for the most part
    While the Japanese novels are for Amateurs to get into writing.
    So it makes sense that Chinese novels are better.
    Some Japanese stories are essentially diaries.
    There is a reason Syosetu is so simple.
    People publish novels similar to SMS in Japan : mobile novel is a popular phrase
     
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  8. kenar

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    Are you talking about webnovel in general or real novels like the novels written by natsume soseki and haruki murakami? I ask that because webnovel and light novel is meant to be easy to read. Easy kanji and etc. The target audience is high schoolers though someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Syosetsu is something like wattpad so comparing it to a platform managed by a publisher isn't fair.
     
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    Wujigege *Christian*SIMP*Comedian

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    Yes, I am talking about web novels. People keep comparing Qidian novels to Syosetu novels. It is unfair. Comparing Japanese light novels to Qidian novels is more apt.
    Like i Pointed out, Qidian novels are for commercial consumption while Syosetu novels are essentially rough drafts.
     
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    lol i'm all ready deep in the void, it's become so bad it's good. i stopped having large expectations and become content with small pleasures, like maybe at least the mc for this novel is less bland than the previous stuff i read.

    lns, wns, vns, cn novels, all fall under the same category.
    sometimes it starts really interesting and shows potential and after a while... lol turn off your brain or read something else.

    changing genre helps for a while i guess? right now im focusing on the female-mc-reincarnates-into-nobles/princesses or isekai-female-mc-video-games stuff, after countless harem/cultivation/mmorpg/etc-ish stuff. it's fun for now -- but i'm slowly getting tired of it. hope something new pops up! like reincarnating into food or something. idk.
     
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    reincarnating into a pair of panties, lmao.
     
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    Imagination is a powerful weapon :blobsweat_2:
     
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    Nothing is safe, you can even be reincarnated as a toy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) at this point.
     
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    Indeed... Nothing wrong with having multiple waifus too :aww:

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    Or slowly conquering the world with your waifus :blobmelt:

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    < Taking a break on reading WN/LN novels...
     
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    MC so beta they will apologize to me when I bash their author.
     
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    You're right and that's why it's so depressing.

    Someone after me said Japanese light novels tend to be better written. Well, kind of? They've got an editor so that's not surprising. But the characters are still walking tropes and the storyline is painfully trite. Not even genuinely attempting to breath fresh air into a worn genre. Just rehashing again and again, same old thing. Getting an editor just means the spelling is better and there are fewer plot holes. Doesn't save it from being bad though.

    But those kinds of light novels are what get popular. They're what gets animated. They're what gets merchandise.

    Ugh :blobpensive::blobsad::blobpensive:

    If I think about this anymore, I really am going to get depressed. I remember a time when harem was just a genre footnote, when idol anime didn't exist, and when teenager girls were drawn to look like a teenagers and not 10 year olds.

    Man, good times. Good times. :blob_coffee:
     
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    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    You're reading bad generic novels and is complaining about finding bad generic stuff... That's totally your fault.

    Learn to discern a good novel from Summary, Cover and Title and you'll stop having this issue, it's not that hard. Been ages since I last found anything remotely close to what you described in Japanese Novels. Simply because I can judge rather a novel is bad or not by its summary.
     
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    They might not necessarily be popular among the general public but amongst the otaku demographic.
    All you need is a few hundred otakus to each shell out a fortune to break even
     
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    ^^^^^
    This. This is what's wrong with the japanese market be it anime/manga/novels.
    the japanese business world is so xenophobic that they don't even consider the international market and the profit that could be made from it so instead to keep afloat in an economy that is struggling they focus of the niche groups that are dedicated and known to be whale customers who are willing to buy anything related to the source material.

    it's such a shame really and i'm glade the chinese/korean markets are not as *dumb* (if not racist) as the japanese one and even though they still cater to some specific inland demand they're much better at addressing the whole globe
     
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