Inflation in Novels

Discussion in 'Novel General' started by Yamatohime, Sep 25, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Yamatohime

    Yamatohime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2018
    Messages:
    205
    Likes Received:
    101
    Reading List:
    Link
    Why inflation is so prominent in many fantasy type novels. 9 out 10 novels has a serious problem with inflation where 1 gold coin has a cost of, at best 100 USD with modern purchase power.
     
  2. ajhearne

    ajhearne Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Likes Received:
    45
    Reading List:
    Link
    probably something similar to idle games they need the amount to be small so that when the mc is rich he still needs to work hard for more so plot convenience
     
  3. Deleted member 155674

    Deleted member 155674 Guest

    Reading List:
    Link
    Gold > paper, I suppose that is the logic they are going with in novels
     
    AliceShiki likes this.
  4. oblueknighto

    oblueknighto Blue Person

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2015
    Messages:
    3,197
    Likes Received:
    2,239
    Reading List:
    Link
    Since a lot of gold coins in these fantasy novels can be diluted down to lower and lower amounts of gold. As years pass they might not even have a fraction of the actual gold amount.

    There could also be a million other problems like monsters spawning and dropping gold. It’s fantasy which makes it defy common sense.
     
  5. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    3,573
    Likes Received:
    8,110
    Reading List:
    Link
    A hundred years ago a dollar bought way more gold than now (1000 dollars of gold now cost 20 dollares in 1915) so if youtake gold as a standart the dollar now has weaker purchishing power than 100 years ago, so we are the one with the inflation problem, the fantasy world have always used a gold coin can feed a family for a month since the begining of time

    https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart
     
    Temujin, AliceShiki and Snowbun like this.
  6. Yamatohime

    Yamatohime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2018
    Messages:
    205
    Likes Received:
    101
    Reading List:
    Link
    It's rare to see a novel where gold > paper. In majority novels gold is just pocket money based on buying power of gold coin.
     
    Deleted member 155674 likes this.
  7. nuubman

    nuubman Russia greatest love machine !

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2016
    Messages:
    388
    Likes Received:
    337
    Reading List:
    Link
    To begin with I'm not even sure the authors have some knowledge about economy, and also "fantasy novel" don't even bother, u will not find any sense in there
     
  8. KurouDaijuji

    KurouDaijuji Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2016
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    369
    Reading List:
    Link
    Probably most authors are basing the currency systems on those in games, where computer games generally take the inflation that started in Table-top RPGs & ran with it.

    Of course there is also the fact that it is very rare for an author to mention how much gold, silver, or whatever (or what purity) there is to a unit of currency (if a "gold piece" 1 troy ounce it is, in real-world terms, rather more valuable than a "gold piece" that weighs 1/10th of a troy ounce).
     
  9. Noor

    Noor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2016
    Messages:
    936
    Likes Received:
    925
    Reading List:
    Link
    really? isn't a lot of them go with copper/silver/gold/platinum? so gold should worth a lot if 1s=100c.
     
  10. Yamatohime

    Yamatohime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2018
    Messages:
    205
    Likes Received:
    101
    Reading List:
    Link
    It should be... But in majority of novels it's everyday money to buy items in street shops.
     
  11. Noor

    Noor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2016
    Messages:
    936
    Likes Received:
    925
    Reading List:
    Link
    then it is because a lot of author does not bother to consider the proper item price. I remember a novel where a gold coin can afford commoner family livelihood for a few months. or maybe it is because the mc is so rich that he is only strolling in the noble district where the price is a rip-off.
     
    AliceShiki likes this.
  12. KurouDaijuji

    KurouDaijuji Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2016
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    369
    Reading List:
    Link
    The point remains, that coins of given type do not necessarily contain the same amount of valuable material as those of another type.

    There is no inherent reason why a system where each step up (copper, silver, gold, platinum) was by multiples of 100 of the lower one would necessarily be coins of the same volume/weight at all steps, the silver coin might be the twice the weight of the copper, with the gold 1/25th of it, & the platinum basically a plating on a copper coin...

    Or whatever makes sense to the author (if they feel the need to define it all).

    As for the purchasing value of a "gold piece" being ridiculously low, I believe it is likely, if not necessarily directly, due to early games like D&D with their explanations (which I suspect was a lame justification for a strange decision, rather than the actual reasoning before the decision was made) like "adventurers dump a lot of gold & loot into a local economy leading to large scale inflation".
     
  13. ToastedRossi

    ToastedRossi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2017
    Messages:
    3,635
    Likes Received:
    3,515
    Reading List:
    Link
    I'm not sure I like the use of words like "prominent" or "most" in this thread. While there are a lot of writers who don't give a damn about the economics of money in their stories, there are also a ton out there who do. Obviously, this is more likely in historical novels, but it's hardly uncommon even in fantasy novels. Hell, it's not even uncommon to see gold that's considered to be valuable in books which otherwise don't give a damn about world building.

    Really the only reason why gold had such low value in Dungeons and Dragons was because it was used more for exoticism than for realism. Also, the original D&D was weird in that it really wanted to limit just how much loot player characters could carry as a way of limiting these characters. It's cool to find entire chests full of gold, but that gold can't be too valuable or else it'd throw the game out of whack.
     
    AliceShiki likes this.
  14. Kuro_0ni

    Kuro_0ni Cocooned in a Life transition

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2018
    Messages:
    2,022
    Likes Received:
    4,774
    Reading List:
    Link
    Well gold is worthless in some novels. Because now you have platinum gold or white gold. As if gold wasn't already the highest thing there is. Better yet, might as well go back to a bartering system. My luxurious diamond for some of your gold.

    Also in some stories. the only money was gold. It was just changed either in size or quantity.

    E.g. The bag sack of potatoes costs 1 medium Gold and 2 small Gold. (Money System: XL, L, M, S)

    or

    E.g. Merchant, "The short sword costs 50 Gold, the full suit of Armor is 150 Gold"
    Adventurer," Can I pay with loot?"
    (Money System: Just Gold)
     
    AliceShiki likes this.
  15. Ai chan

    Ai chan Queen of Yuri, Devourer of Traps, Thrusted Witch

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    11,278
    Likes Received:
    24,346
    Reading List:
    Link
    You can take an example from ancient Rome. During Hannibal's siege of Rome, there was not enough gold to go around. There was not enough silver to go around. Their currency was silver and gold. They had no economy, no way of getting more gold. But people still need to be paid.

    So what did they do? They melted their gold and silver and mixed them with cheaper materials, and they tried to pass them off as the same coin. They suddenly had huge puchasing power, for awhile, and when they needed to pay people again, they remelted the gold again and increased the percentage of cheaper metals.

    People were wondering where the heck did these coins come from with Hannibal outside doing his best trying to kill or rob everyone going in and out of Rome. Then people wised up, and realized that these coins that were supposed to have been worth its weight in gold (or silver) were actually worthless. The smugglers couldn't make any profit because the coins were worthless. The price of everything in Rome jumped to the roof overnight.

    Good for them that they eventually defeated Hannibal, but their economy never truly recovered from that. And later emperors continued to devalue their currency because they want more money at the expense of inflation.
     
    AliceShiki likes this.
  16. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2016
    Messages:
    24,650
    Likes Received:
    98,371
    Reading List:
    Link
    Sometimes the author just doesn't give it much thought and uses gold as their only currency... Which leads to this kind of weird thing.

    Personally speaking, if anything costs thousands of coins, I think there is a problem with your system... Because... Well, who will carry thousands of coins around?

    More often than not though, the coins themselves don't matter much, so the author didn't give it much thought. Which leads to the crazy inflation problem.

    I personally prefer when they use the Platinum>Gold>Silver>Copper system... More often than not the numbers are exaggerated and they have no historical accuracy, but it still serves the purpose of making the valuable coins look actually valuable.
     
    Kuro_0ni likes this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.