Discussion I've been wondering.....

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  1. KUROz

    KUROz Whatevs~

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    You know how i'ts a given that most JP LNs have these points :-
    • MC reincarnates / transfers to another world (courtesy of truck-sama )
    • MC have harem
    • MC have cheat ability
    • Existence of an adventurer guild
    • MC becomes a hero
    • MC have to defeat the demon king
    • Status
    • Dense MC
    • and many others......
    So, I've been wondering what is the origin of said plot / setting
     
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  2. Ldyrdy

    Ldyrdy Snowfallsdown

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    Dreams of the author that will never be real..
    They will never be able to have harem, save the world, defeat the demon Lord, have clear power, yeah... It was only a dream..
     
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    Rreelentless Captain Sheriff Admiral Colonel Major General

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    the reincarnation can be traced back to mushoku tensei
    the harem is infinite stratos i think
     
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    KUROz Whatevs~

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    That's not the answer that I was looking for. What I wanted to know was, which anime / game / novel / manga or any other media started this trend?
     
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    Ldyrdy Snowfallsdown

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    Well I believe it started from before year 2000.... So I couldn't tell..
     
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    JEI The black riding hood, Little white

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    I think game elements or VRMMO in general was from Hack:GU?
     
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    KUROz Whatevs~

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    So you're saying that those 2 are the oldest possible series of their respective genres.
    But, seriously what I really wanted to know was which series started to use all of the points above.
     
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    Shio Moderator Staff Member

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    ...they are definitely not the oldest. The one that bring the current boom should be SAO, but the elements is already there from hack series era.. or even older, in case of harem & demon king
     
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    KUROz Whatevs~

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    That's ridiculously old. I guess those questions are never meant to be answered.
     
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    Ryve16 Working Hard and Hardly Working

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    Well .hack//infection was the first game. Followed by mutation, outbreak and quarantine (all very hard to get nowadays, i still need quarantine). GU came after the initial games and continued the story. Still, all 7 games were my favorite in ps2.

    Also, infection was from 2002, just wanna put that out there
     
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    U forgot to add most MC are dense....
     
  12. Ldyrdy

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    That's why I said it come before the years 2000 and we should really asks elder..
     
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    One of the first light novels was the heroic legends of arslan, which was written in the 1980's I think?

    I dont know which was the first harem novel, but the one of the people who made the harem genre gain popularity is Rumiko takahashi (manga writer of InuYasha, Ranma) I believe.

    The concept of harem is pretty old. There were many stories about men seducing women even in olden times in Japan. One of the most famous stories would be the tales of Genji.

    According to animelist, the first harem anime was urusei yatsura. (First hentai anime was lolita anime by the way)

    The reincarnation concept is also really ancient. So can't help you there.
     
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    I believe it's from dragon quest series.
     
  15. KUROz

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    I forgot....
     
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    Which elder?.... o_O
     
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    Yukkuri Oniisan 『Procrastinator Archwizard Translator and Writer』

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    The harem part also influenced by galge or eroge I think. Eapecially if there are multiple love interest. When you adopt it to print media the author need to divide the plot attention yo every love interest even if there are best canon girl.
     
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    @God Of Time... Got any clue?
     
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    I just hope @God Of Time does not forget due to his old age though...
     
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    JEI The black riding hood, Little white

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    I seeeee... well, I've only played .GU and I can't even remember if I even finished it(probably not)... it's a great game still with those avatar-like things, I just got banned from playing back then because I neglected my studies so...yeah.
     
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