Discussion KR and JP Novels that are guilty of Chapter spam like CN Xuanhuan Novels?

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  1. SummerMascot

    SummerMascot Well-Known Member

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    Chapter spam examples:
    1. Cyclical copy paste pasta plotlines.
    2. or Repeated resetting/reversing of MC's cultivation or leveling progress.
    3. Filling chapter with paragraphs that praises MC to the moon or MC whining lines and lines.
    4. Chapters filled with boring monologues.
    5. Author attempting to break 4th wall by spamming wallsoftext.
    6. Author fills chapter with racist remarks for 101th time because he hates X race/nation in real-life.
    7. Filling chapters with Deus-Ex-Machina (Powers-that-be rescuing MC or turning MC's worse mistake into the best choice) or Diabolus ex Machina (ie Pinky and the Brain style)
    8. "Suzumiya Haruhi Endless Eight" style spam (Deja vu to the extreme)
    9. MC (voluntarily or involuntarily) flirting/making-out/lewding-out/xxx with Harem members who are usually below legal age (aka lolis) and/or harem members fighting over how they should flirt/make-out/lewd-out/xxx MC.

    For KR Novel, I would think Overgeared (https://www.novelupdates.com/series/overgeared/) is guilty of it.

    For JP Novel, Re:Monster (https://www.novelupdates.com/series/remonster/) seriously fits the bill.

    Arifureta and "How NOT to Summon a Demon Lord / Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo Dorei Majutsu" are guilty of No.9
     
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  2. oliver

    oliver Well-Known Member

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    What? Chapter spam? You mean, having more chapters than 5? And that's bad, cuuuz?
     
  3. Nino Sasou

    Nino Sasou 『 ******** 』『 On Paid Leave』

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    DontLookDown One with the bed

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    I wouldn't say Overgeared is "chapter spam" in the way that CN novels are. CN novels have filler as chapter spam.

    Overgeared goes to other perspectives as "chapter spam". That's not exactly filler, so...

    Also, KR novels in general are owned by the writer and not "paid by the chapter", so a lot less incentive to put filler in the novel. I wouldn't say many KR novels in general are "chapter spam"
     
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    Nino Sasou 『 ******** 』『 On Paid Leave』

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    I think he mean the number of released chapters above the average of JP/KR novels (200-300s).
     
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    0000000 I B SMILING!

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    ...and then there are LMS and a couple of other more popular Kr. I think he refer them as spam due to the work repeatingly expands the world and not focusing on an end. Unlike CN novels, which did it for word count and repetition writings, Kr and some Jp novels did try to branch off to different topics, which can be easily boil down to meet, fight, kill.
     
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    MaliMi The Cookie Guardian

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    Literally a chapter or part of it, which give no value to the story like unnecessary, completely useless info dumps and the so called "status porn".
     
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    Yeah but op is making it seem like that is bad. Not only calling it ''spam'' which have a negative connotation, but also saying they're ''guilty'' of it. I just want to know what exactly is wrong with having a lot of chapters. both Overgeared and Re:Monster (op's examples) have very little filler, if that is what s/he mean.
    As i said above, if op means pure filler chapters, their examples are pretty bad examples.
     
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    Or even worse, like resetting/reversing MC's cultivation/level progress. Spamming chapters with Diabolus-Ex-Machina.
     
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    Guilty? There's nothing wrong with having a lot of chapters. The problem is authors writing an interesting story that drags on too long eventually making it boring that sucks.

    Some people don't read the novels for the story so they don't mind the 'chapter spam'. The two novels you've listed probably don't have an ending. There's no set goal for the main characters and the plot is usually just a way to get stronger and overcome their next challenge.
     
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    I don't think remonster is that bad because the story it self is written like a daily diary. If anything remonster should just stay a webnovel are be a manga because of how its written.
     
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    The returner a KR novel with 500 chapter full of inner and boring monologues.
    It tries to be funny but it's really boring imo...
     
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    Praising MC and long monologues are a typical mark of a novel with an OP protagonist. Not related to chapter spam. It's more a genre thing than an author trying to fill words.

    Breaking the 4th wall is regular in most novels with comedy. Why? Because in a fantasy novel they're not going to make the joke then explain the joke and how it's relevant in the fantasy world so instead they just break the 4th wall. Again, lots of novels do this even if they don't have 'chapter spam'. You also shouldn't include the word spammy when trying to describe chapter spam. It's cyclical logic and doesn't lead to anything.

    Cyclical plotlines and resetting progress is definitely traits that are almost exclusively used to extend the length of a novel so those points are definitely valid examples.
     
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    I guess you haven't read stuff when it's the author narrating/talking directly to the reader(you), saying how OP the MC is and how reader (you) are plebes that can't appreciate or comprehend it. I don't find such stuff comedic.

    Not all attempts at breaking 4th wall are successfully comedic. Deadpool is comedic. CN/JP/KR authors aren't.
     
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    Nooo!!! :blob_coughblood:
     
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    There is a huge difference between chinese webnovel chapter spam and the 'overdialog' of JP and KR novels. True chapter spam exists only to pad wordcount, while the JP and KR novels that are guilty of something similar have totally different intentions.
    Repetition: part of JP language for emphasis
    Monologues: Poor writing in english, where 'show, don't tell' is a meme, but is a respectably normal part of JP and KR (and even CN) historical writing styles.
    Racial Issues: Doesn't generally happen in KR and JP novels - it's China that has a Persecuted Master Race complex.
    Cyclical Plotlines: Again, uncommon in JP, and less common in KR works.
    4th Wall: Very common in comedies, and since most JP shounen works have a lot of that, it happens a lot. KR less common, and I'd say CN novels least common of all. Don't really understand your whining about this one as padding wordcount.
     
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    I've seen some examples of that in novels. I usually drop them after a while because they're annoying but that doesn't have anything to do with 'chapter spam'.

    You not liking a form of comedy doesn't make it filler or spam. It just means you don't like that form of comedy. Again, nothing to do with the 'chapter spam' you're talking about. Definitely not examples of it.
     
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    JP novels have shit filler chapters where it's just happy family meal time.
     
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    xtremeloldude the slime guy

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    i forgot the name (i think it was Arc or something?) but this one korean novel that's basically a blatant ripoff of LMS only worse.
    They keep repeating "but who was arc?..." but then whenever he comes into a new location he forgets how he had to struggle to get strong for a second and then he sucks for a while
    (it has a second version where it's a space VRMMO if that helps remind anyone of the name)
     
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