Spoiler Latest Chapter Discussion Thread for Death Mage Raws

thank you
i'm rereading the story at the moment and i haven't reached there yet so i'm glad i didn't miss anything

 

O think there are two views. One from pro Vida and the other pro Alda.

Alda: loose goddess that sleep with many gods. Choas, insane, whatever... So Vida priest=prostitute. #notall but some.

Vida: it's normal to make love with those that you love. Sex is part of life. The circle of life.

If course Vida didn't (most likely) have sex with other gods, there were goddess too. Van didn't have sex with Tiamat to have a kid. It just a normal thing to contribute human characteristics to nonhuman. And If you can make the other side look bad, our side looks better.

 

On a different note. Who thinks the gods of job/rank will troll Zadiris into becoming Queen of princesses or something like that?

 

You mean the Ghoul Magical Princess Goddess of Princesses, then we're talking trolling levels of a God (Job God makes it even more wondrous)

 

The Vida and Alda harmony groups are very interesting... in a weird way. After all, how often do you see two religious camps with bad blood between them basically saying "let's put aside our differences and work for the common good"? Normally, it would be something to be applauded. Of course, that assumes that both sides are "equal". But, that's not at all the case here - instead it's more like cases of democratic leaders appeasing dictators.

I wonder if we'll ever see a situation where lots of high ranking Vida priests meet and realise that the only ones without Vida's divine protection... are the "moderates" (harmony faction). Kinda hoping we get to see more direct discussion / confrontation between Darcia and the Vida priests (harmony faction or not) sometime. It could make for a really interesting discussion.

Going back to the "shady" side of the Vida religion, I think it's entirely possible. Particularly during more chaotic times. It could have been really creepy in extreme cases. After, consider that these days Vida churches often run orphanages. If you have temple prostitutes and an orphanage... well, I don't even need to spell it out I'm sure. Given what we've seen the evil vampires do, I wouldn't be surprised if they might have pushed for template prostitutes intentionally in order to tarnish Vida's image as well.

Darcia spotted this flaw as well - while temple prostitutes might have some historical precedent, it would do no good in the long run with regards to converting people to the Vida faith.

 

Correction, it's not a discussion, it's a flat out kick in the nuts with steel toe boots, and a well-deserved one for the 'moderates' (we worship Vida, but we don't truly spread her message/ideals)

Time-honored tradition of religious manipulation and secrecy.

 

I don't think there are Vida holy prostitutes. But others think of them as prostitutes. Granted 100,000 years is a long time for things to happen but unusual cases and all. Look at some of the hard core bible and Quran views on how women should dress. It's not unusual for them to call women in modern dress sluts and prostitutes. It just two views that can't agree to despise the other.

 

I believe this has something to do with the fact many humans believe Alda is the Leader of ALL the gods.
So the Vida harmony(moderates) are trying to put Vida's doctrine into a frame which matches the 'leader' of gods views.(which is impossible as views are polar opposite)
Also Vida wants harmony between all races(her races and the mankind), so a team up would seem like its a reasonable move to people who want to move towards peace between the races. The issue is they don't see the half monster races as 'human' so they are fine if they die out, which is likely what makes them Moderates.
Now we know this is completely wrong and the pillar gods were all equal but mankind has mostly forgotten this fact as Alda has been the 'Leader' of the new gods, making it easier to be confused, especially for the common man as i doubt the church of Alda would want to change this view of there God being the best and keeping its place as top church with the most say.
Now the other issue is how many of the Vida harmony faction have been lead but Heinz(Alda) already and can they be saved and put back onto the right path

 

Well, I did include "harmony faction or not" in there. Eg, a meeting with Darcia and Vida priests who are not harmony faction could be interesting... but yes, in a very different way to a meeting with the harmony faction.

Incidentally, it's clear from the latest chapter that Darcia's popularity is exploding amongst the general population of Vida believers. It'll be interesting to see how her fame affects the story...

 

The real reason for the "Holy Prostitutes"

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Or so the ancients scripts of the Champions says.

 

Alda being the "leader" amongst the gods is something that particularly ticked Botin off. Very much a "who died and made you king?" moment.

And yeah, with Alda being in control for 100,000 years and having all the power naturally the normal people don't think too much about the other great gods, though they are certainly still being worshipped. Alda himself is fine with Botin, Peria, Zuruwarn and Ricklent being worshipped (until recently) since he thought they'd be on his side. Ahaha.

Alda would have actually been okay with compromising (at least in the short term) on the non monster Vida races, due to Nineroad's suggestion but never got around to doing anything about it. Ahaha.

Naturally, Vida's not going to go "okay, you can kill half my children", which is basically what the Vida harmony bunch are pushing for

 

What we know for sure is, Vida was absent and could not give out messages, plus Alda may have spread some history about her, although as a sibling, he most likely took pity on her going crazy rather than try to destroy her image, if he did that, the other gods would not pardon him either once they woke up/were freed.

Yet, it's weird that we hear more about Vida and Alda religions, while Rick and Zuru were most likely exceptions as, rather than religions, they blessed innovations and curiosity, we don't hear much about Peria, Botin and Zantark as religions, rather more of gods prayed by individuals, we know that besides Zantark giving blessings to people in the Dark Continent, Botin was fully sealed, and Peria needed to fake sleep, and only later gave her blessing to Juliana so as to get them to unseal Botin.

Maybe the reason is the existence of the Vida Races, as such, while one side attacked them, the defenders ended up fortifying themselves too, and as such, keeping Vida as a Religion somewhat strong just through the human side, and Nineroad was the one responsible towards making Alda accept that to some reason.

Problem is, both Harmony factions are only doing what the current human society is used to, while Alda's wishes are for their eradication, and Vida wishes for harmony between everyone, even those that the current society can't accept. As such, the harmonic factions right now are only going towards a path of mutual understanding based on what the current human society wants.

Alda doesn't care for that, he looks at humans as pawns, and Vida (and Botin) wants it to grow towards every species (Vida also accepts Van's undead). And in this game of power, Vida's is by far the strongest, Alda is in absolute decline, and Harmonic factions can only rely on Limpwood, and the couple Heinz and Gudu-Edgar.

 

She's rank 13 Ghoul Full Moon Wizard Princess currently and still working hard. I don't think she's going to give up and simply rely on marriage to Van (besides they agreed to put that off until Heinz/Bellwood is dealt with) so she'll carry on for now.

Wonder what's next. Probably "Wizard" gets upgraded to something - "Magical"? Or maybe "Full Moon" becomes "Eternal Moon"? Or "Princess" becomes "High Princess".

If they're REALLY trolling Zadiris we'll get: Magical ☆ Ghoul Eternal Princess

Once she fails to escape from the Great Curse of Princess she'll let herself be captured by the Great Demon King. Then she'll probably get some title with both Empress and Princess

 

Zadiris rank 16 High Princess Ghoul Wizard Empress.

 

My money is on her being something along the lines of
Caged Princess, Captured Princess or Unsaved Princess... as she will marry the demon king

 

Princess Maker

(Princess Guider = creates princesses...)

 

Why not Origin god Pluto though? I think that would be hillarious having part of a multi-part god going for Van. Just the way that would be managed would make it far more interesting than the stuff with Tiamat.

The pro-life Vs. pro-choice argument is something that is a huge sign of how the political debate has gone completely off the rails. Back when the arguments over abortion were first made, the pro-choice side of the argument was that abortion should be available for cases where the mother's life was in danger, or in extreme cases such as rape and child sexual abuse by a parent. But, in order for the abortion services to be safe in those cases, it had to have less restrictions on it.

In the 50 or so years since then, the pro-life side of the argument has come around and now completely embraces what are called "the 3 exceptions" (rape, incest, and endangering the life of the mother.) You will be very hard pressed today to find even a single pro-lifer who is against the 3 exceptions. If the pro-choice side of the argument was in any way sane at all, they would call this a victory and happily move on. However, instead of that, the pro-choice side just became insane and moved the pro-choice argument way off into the weeds and started arguing that abortion should be available any time for anyone, funded by tax dollars, and that we should even celebrate abortions as some sort of high and joyous achievement.

Right now, the right-wingers are all gloating about how people are coming around to the pro-life argument because we are learning more about the reality of a baby being a real life that needs to be protected. No, we always knew a baby was a human life. The problem is that the pro-choice side of the argument got redefined to no longer be a stance that a normal sane person could agree with, and more and more people who would have been pro-choice with their opinions in the 80s are seeing this and realizing that at some point the center line of the pro-life vs. pro-choice debate got picked up and moved right over them, and while their opinions did not change a single bit it is now the pro-life side of the argument that's saying the things they agree with.

I do not know how something as clean cut as pro-life vs. pro-choice could have the center line moved by THAT much, but it happened, and this is exactly why politics has gone completely stupid these days. It's not just the abortion debate this is happening with. It seems to be happening with almost every subject worth discussing.

 

Listen to a podcaster call the pro-life group anti-women for their views. I'm not going to go into that discussion. But part of what is going on is If you believe in B then you are automatically believe in X. There is a whole alphabet in between. On YouTube , Tim Pool 's channels talk about this some times. Good stuff there. Joe Rogan podcast had Twitter president and safety head on with tim pool.

Also what is going on in our higher education is insane. Three professors make up papers, on crazy things, and had some of them past review.

 

Subordinate Goddess of Magical Princesses with Magical Princess Guider to boot

Once a princess, always a princess

Nothing new, and also admitting fault for bringing politics in a novel forum unintentionally.

 

You shouldn't comment about How Muslimah dress in presence of mine you know, we will get warning after all.