Spoiler Latest Chapter Discussion Thread for Death Mage Raws

I believe the angels saw the fight with Heinz and noticed the holy attributive with works against death attribute so if asagi can learn to use it as a seal it could be used to seal death magic.
But i think Asagi plan is naive to begin with, his plan is to spread a way to stop van (death magic) encase van starts a war, ignoring that if they have a way to stop to Van, they have nothing stopping them from attacking Van and starting the war themselves and this would be directly caused by Asagi, its like opposite of Bellwood not wanting to make a nuke, its more like I will give Vans enemies nukes which they totally will never use when they learn van is years around in terms of power, money, culture and technology...

 

Years ahead?... more like millions of years ahead! Due to aldas no tech and no mass production stance they would never have the level of life necessary to have even Half of what the Vidal empire has!

 

God of rank is made by demon king G

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It is definitely related to sealing and the holy attribute. But again, that's the extent of our knowledge. We don't know how much Asagi's research progressed, and we have only an extremely broad idea of how Heinz could help him.

Also, Asagi's long-term plan would never work, no matter what he does to accomplish it. He wants to stop the religious conflict, but he doesn't understand that the death attribute has nothing to do with it. Removing the death attribute from Lambda will not calm Alda's genocide-boner.

Whoops! That didn't quite come out right. I meant the status and jobs gods.

Sorry. I meant he has too much sodium. High sodium intake is associated with high blood pressure. In Japan, where this is a known problem, people sometimes joke about people with high blood pressure having had a sodium overdose.

 

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There is no way you can seal death attribute forever

 

True, i would say he wants to find out how to combine the life and light magic to make holy magic. as it seems not even Bellwood could.

this is another reason i feel he is naive, he is using other world values in a world they don't apply in, he likely thinks the status quo is fine as is, or he is undervaluing the ROV as he spend 30-40 years thinking of them as nothing more then monsters, so that is a mind set that would be hard to change especially as he arrived grown up not as a baby. (not that he would be raised in a kingdom with equal treatment anyway.)
This is my opinion but he reminds me a 5 year old who thinks world hunger can be solved by giving everyone food... only looking at the surface level of the problem from a poorly informed or highly biased angle.

 

But he is a toadie for someone who is OK with the religious wars and alda's genocide boner, since Rod does not care about souls outside his system.

 

About the Heinz - Asagi combo, I'm pretty sure Heinz will wind up informing Asagi about the real #1 reason Van would have refused to loose his death attribute, the undead going crazy. Wondering what kind of reaction he'll have to that.

That said, I can totally see Heinz sealing Van's death attribute anyway just to make a point to Van that this is something to be concerned about. (And then subsequently release the seal on Van himself a short time later.)

Also, BECAUSE Heinz will almost certainly use this tactic, I'm betting Van's going to come up with counter measures after seeing it once.

 

Except Heinz doesn't want to befriend Van. He simply wants to talk things out. But he's aware enough that a conversation won't be possible if Van can simply kill him quickly, which at the moment is quite a realistic threat. It doesn't seem to have occurred to him that getting help from Bellwood isn't likely to increase Van's favourably rating though.

(The crack ship version of all this is that from Heinz's point of view, Van is an extreme yandere... heh)

Crack theory: God of Ranks is actually a part of Guduranis and because Van has all these DK fragments, skills, jobs, titles etc... the God of Ranks is following Van like a puppy and probably (correctly) believes that Van wants Zadiris to have "princess" ranks etc...

And final goal is to get people to believe he can tame undead (which he can of course).

It's going to be fun when he introduces Eleanora to the Tamer Guild. After all, she would probably be delighted if Van treated her like a dog in public in order to prove that she's been tamed, even if it would be incredibly humiliating to any normal person. If we do get such a scene, I imagine the general view of vampires going from "scary creepy bloodsuckers" to "disappointing weirdos"...

Iris will be another interesting one. Has she gotten used to walking around in a skimpy bikini by now? Maybe with her fellow majin, but what about around humans? Would be funny if she's introduced as a succubus majin but gets all embarrassed at being seen...

And how long until someone from the Tamer Guild asks Van why the only tamed monsters he brings in are beautiful women...

 

Just like you can't kill death... death is patient, very patient and even immortals will crumble with enough time.

 

That's if Asagi listens first.
Prob see one of two or three routes:

1. Asagi listens to Heinz but dismisses what he says and thinks he's brainwashed by Van. (Also Asagi will think consequences will be minimal vs safety of humanity being at stake with Van/DA still walking around and about)

2. Asagi listens to not just Heinz but also Bellwood (if he bothers to take active role and that is practically a non-existent chance as he fears his guidance will cause some trouble) *but still ignores them*.

3. Heinz and co detains Asagi, pissing Asagi off and also thinks Van is brainwashing everyone against him at this point.

Basically put, just my own opinion, I can't see a moment where Van and Asagi will ever see eye to eye, with or without Heinz in the way.


Edit:

I see we have another potential Pro-Princess faction member

Don't forget Ternecia lol (Vampire Zombie who loves to be treated as an actual dog)

Betting pool anyone? Already got 5 chips on people being envious of Van (to an extent lol).

 

So @kari-no-sugata is princess Zadiris faction

 

The only side!

I'm sure that some A class adventurer will notice that these "tamed" creatures of the harem are S class material, like how that adventurer noticed that darcia had a higher levelled marshal arts than him through how she walked.

 

Indeed. But since when has that stopped anyone from trying?

That is an apt comparison.

Unlike Alda, Asagi isn't hypocritical (yet). He's just stubborn and ignorant. He's a very different kind of insane.

GUDURANIS INTERRUPT!

Kinky. This demands a porno.

I'd be more concerned about someone very important from Sauron recognizing her.

As long as it takes for someone to get tired of looking at beautiful women.

The only way to defeat Death... is to become Death!

 

Ternecia is the name of one of the (now dead and soul-broken) 3 Hihirushukaka faction pure-blood vampires. I believe you're thinking about Isalia, the member of Ternicia's dogs who came to assassinate Van after Elenora's presumed failure, then wound up getting beheaded by Elenora, then brought back as an undead vampire, then got into something of a freaky love rivalry with Elenora over Van.

 

doops, mixed up the names lol.

 

I hadn't thought about that, but now I have a number of thoughts, and kinda got me expectant to their meeting. What would Asagi want from Heinz? I can think of 3 things:

1 - Cooperation - To ask for help in their research.
2 - Sharing information - Reveal themselves as reincarnators and they are here for Rodocorte
3 - Do not kill Van. - As hypocrite as Asagi is, he knows that Van does not deserves to die.

Now, why does this looks interesting? We should compile some info on Van, and who has which info.

1 - Van is a reincarnator, he died in a terrorist attack together with other people, then because of a mess up by Rodcorte, he was forced to live as a Guinea Pig for 20 years, just to be killed by the same classmates who had a similar past to him. - Only Asagi's side know this, and this should be the main reason why they don't want Van to die. And once Heinz knows, he may understand more about Van's past, and why he can't be negotiated with. This should also decrease Heinz mood in having to kill Van, and weights much more on his conscience of the incredibly heavy weight of his actions.

2 - On his third life, Van's mother was killed, and he had to survive alone. - Both should know this info.
2.1 - Heinz is directly responsible for his mother's death. - Only Heinz should know this info. Because it happened so early, the angels shouldn't have noticed the responsible for that attack is the same one here, and may be under the impression Van only wants to fight against Alda, without knowing Heinz is his revenge target too.
2.2 - Van also seared revenge on those that tried to stop him from getting his mother revived, this includes Yupeon, from Alda's faction. - This information has already escalated to bigger heights.

3 - Van is the Emperor of Talosheim and saved many Vida races. - Both should know this info, Heinz learned from Mill, Asagi saw for himself, in a way. Both may have some differences in info here and there, and here they could learn from each other.

4 - Van tilted the castle in Hartner, plus other things. - Both should be aware of the general story, although Asagi knows about Kanata, and should be more neutral in regards to what happened in Hartner. He could actually defend Van's reasoning here.

5 - Van's domination of the Scylla territory in Sauron. - Heinz knows Van's is involved, he doesn't know how. Asagi should be able to offer a better explanation, and confirm that the Undead won't attack anyone outside. Considering what he got from Van, and the situation with Kanako, he should know Van is not interested in revenge against the reincarnators, and while they don't know his objectives, they seem to understand he won't start some war, while the other side may start one against him.

6 - Darcia's resurrection - Both should have this info, both the angels may have informed Asagi, plus Heinz saw her. However, what Heinz may not know is that all Gods are on Van's side, although Van told him he talked with Farmaun. Although he should be able to know everything, Alda seems to be hiding information he deems unnecessary. Asagi may not know that all other gods are on Van's side though.

7 - Kanako, Melissa and Doug - Asagi should tell Heinz about the 3 betrayal about their organization in Origin (Or maybe he will remember Hitomi, Pluto and Van's words against him having to denigrate other people for his arguments). The angels know that Kanako is not only is still alive, but she is also a guider doing a terrific job against Rod. This should show that Van is actually a nice person, but he is the worst enemy against people who attack him.

As an extra here, Rod needs to kill Kanako, he could ask Alda who would say "Sure, I don't know why, but I understand the need."...
"Heinz, you need to kill a dark elf called Kanako too. This is important."


8 - Fitun, Murakami - Asagi should have been informed of Murakami's death, Alda should have revealed about Fitun's death. Here we should get both sides of the story in one go: Fitun tried to kill Van, and he got help from Reincarnators trying to kill him too. And other reincarnators may arrive and try to kill him in the future. Heinz could understand that since early on Van has had assassins against him, besides he himself who killed his mother by sheer coincidence.

9 - Orbaum - Asagi should know about Darcia and Van being in Orbaum as nobles, they may be wondering what he is up to. They could give their own interpretation without bias from Alda.

The angels know that Van is doing fine in Alcrem, and guiding people like crazy, plus the fact the territory turned to Vida fundamentalism, but if Asagi got information from Duke Birgit whose army was part of the attack in Sauron, they may be questioning why he he fought so little, since he could have easily killed the army, plus, he has killed one of the Knights from his ally, and another lost her arms.

10 - Divine Factions - I'm not entirely sure about how are their understanding on the Gods. Heinz has an Enemy of Vida title, but I'm not sure if he understood that Vida herself declared him her enemy, and on her faction are the other 5 Gods + Farmaun and Van. I'm also not sure if Asagi is aware that they are going against this whole party by trying to help a god they don't trust, and another god that doesn't deserve the trust he gets.

 

Gods of Status, Jobs and Skills were made by Ricklent. God of Ranks was snuck into the system by the Demon King's side during the war to give Monsters benefits from the system. But other than that we literally know nothing about who God of Ranks is. Are they a familiar spirit of Guduranis? an Evil God? Something else? All we really know is they're the one who grants Ranks, and they're the one who started Zadiris' princess curse (though the other system gods have continued to run with it because they've got some of Ricklent in them).

Though, yeah, in my head-canon they're basically the Evil God of Hikikomori.

I'm currently reading a novel where the protagonist's little sister eventually turns out to be the second coming of the Demon King, and isn't particularly happy about all the bugs girls flying around him. I think this could be very entertaining.

 

Growth Cheat?

Spoiler: I guess it may not be?

cause in that one, Imouto-chan is the first and second coming of DK. Ironically, she originally was Kaguya-hime, who was isekai'ed when she was supposed to die, then turned into Demon King, then 10 years before the main story she is sealed and forced to be reborn back in Japan, she turns into a Brocon, then brother is isekai'ed, and she doesn't even care, prepares her baggage and goes after him.

Edit:

I know the feeling. I expected more with imouto-chan arriving, but it suddenly turned too stupid.

 

Growth cheat was too painful for me to continue