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Demon fragments are around 150 total from what we know Van has over half (75) because he is considered the main body
Or and he has around half but has the more useful ones/Main ones in his side not all fragments are created equal and some are just way more useful For combat than others.

Side notes: I think van has atleast 85 fragments and more likely considering he has like 90%+ of the fragments in orcbaume and Vidal, Van has around 100 fragments likely abit less and the other third is at Amid assuming even distribution.

Demon fragment total likely aren't a even number so 150 is just a rough guess and I'm likely off about 30 fragments either way, and this is just fun expeculations so I might be wrong and they're is 200 + fragments.

Rodcorte stated after Avalon/gud that making some one as powerful as Avalon gud would be very difficult even considered Aldas fragments on top of Amids and others favorable conditions since his unstaked life depended on it.

Fragments left in amid wouldn't be a match for Avalon let alone Vans and his fragments because a good part 1/5 to 1/3 of fragments left in amid were the details, body parts you don't know exist and just make the body more efficient.

Guduranis 3.O having the core and power would definitely make a powerful Foe though definetly not a powerful Guduranis, the power rank is likely at tops Avalons level maybe at best outside of Alda becoming the host like 1 rank higher than Avalon if they get a mid god host and other favorable conditions like a few months training and others.

Avalon gud Power is underated he had all his memories and all of Avalons too both who were masters of fighting Magic had plenty of experience and Avalon was already a low-mid god treat at origin plus his cheats and like 5 more broken cheats who made him get resistance to magic with like a few minutes of getting hit by it when it takes years with high blessings like dude those cheats abilities have cheats in their name for a reason they're stupid powerful + most of Avalons cheats were battle oriented and made him more powerful double attack power, attack that always land, energy absorbition from looking at desired energy than transforming such energy into magic energy for master of magic Avalon gud, infinite growth and increased growth rate.
forgot the other ones so likely not very powerful by themselves.

 

All those folks woke up already. Those numbers included the pure breed vampires and people like Godwins grandmother who was try to teach Darcia and Iris succubus techniques.

 

Does anyone remind me of how spiritual magic worked in this story?

 

Which? Van's or that of a spiritualist?
Van: use a spirit as a medium to use spells of the element of the spirit.
Spiritualist: being able to see and talk to the spirits. Wherever the spirit answers you or tells you the truth or a twisted version is up to the spirit.

 

There is also the one Darcia and other dark elves use that make use of nature spirits (whatever those are) the same way Van dose his elemental ghost. Is noted too that since the real caster is the ghost/spirit it bypass the 'thou shall not use elemental magic' for DE mages, Van being pretty much a mana battery for them.

 

was mentioned if Fazon has any Demon King fragment?

and how big is Van Harem right now?

 

raws out

 

Fazon would definitely have any of the demon king fragments that Heinz had sealed. Unless they gave the fragments to the prime minister when he was gathering them for Avalon.

As for Van’s harem it would probably be easier to list the named female members of the cast that aren’t part of it.

Edit: Raw chapter is Van recognizes that Alda might in desperation if things go poorly release the fragments of Gudu he has sealed and decides to give everyone demon king fighting training making them fight against his demon king demon king familiar. Also Schneider wishes Marsh was still in control of Anid because at least he was on the ground ruling and not in some sanctuary realm beyond everything happening to people.

 

training montage

 

Ch 381: "Special Training with the True Demon King to Defeat the Old Demon King"

Welp, that takes care of the Asagi issue. Onto the next problem: Van doesn't have a particularly good way to get any stronger at the moment.

Randolf: "Is there really any need for you to be stronger than you already are?"
Merolis: *Nod Nod Nod*

Considering he's the hero who saved the world from Guduranis (and then consumed all the power and abilities of that version of Guduranis), it certainly is true Van's one of the most powerful beings on Lambda right now. However, since Van (at least from his own point of view) has won all his battles so far through no small amount of research and pre-planning, and he can only assume Alda and Heinz are coming up with their own plans to counter his existing options, Van still thinks he has to do as much as he can before the actual war. After all, just look at Rodcorte and Alda. They're supposed to be the most powerful gods involved with Lambda right now, and yet their constant screw ups have turned one of them into a comatose pin-cushion and the other is on the edge of losing everything.

Most worrying to Van is the fact that Alda has multiple additional Guduranis fragments in his possession. Yeah, they already know Alda had control of some fragments, that he took Vida's fragments after their war 100,000 years ago, and that he has access to what's left of Rodcorte's fragments as well now. Amusingly Densuke points out here if people outside Van's camp heard that he's afraid of this, they'd call him irrational. After all, isn't the hero of the enemy faction, Heinz, fighting against Van because he's afraid after eating the released fragments of Guduranis Van will turn into Guduranis one day? How could they release Guduranis themselves? (Oh I can't wait for Heinz to realize Alda released the rest of Guduranis now. ) Of course Van isn't trying to win a public relations fight here, so he doesn't particularly care how many other people believe this is a possibility. He's just planning for the worst case scenarios.

Most of his allies also likely won't be useful at the moment if Alda does use Guduranis as a weapon against them. Randolf and Schneider think they're no match at all against Guduranis after watching a video Van recreated with [Perfect Recording Technique] of the Orbaume Capital fight. Bone Man, Knochen, and even an incarnated Evil God like Lisanna too. Darcia thinks she might be able to take on a single fragment if she used [Goddess Descent], [Chaos] and her transformation equipment (after all, she did alright against Hihiryushukaka / Birkyne / [The Demon King's Shadow]). Gufadgarn thinks if it is a single fragment she could similarly delay Guduranis with her spatial magic, though it would make her unable to cooperate with Van while she was doing it. And the biggest advantage of high level space-attribute mages like Gufadgarn and Jane Doe is their ability to run disruption and support across an entire battle rather than being held down by a single opponent. Van hopes that the fragments Alda has left would be weaker than [Memories]+[Instinct]+Rikudou and Edgar's souls+multiple reincarnator cheats... but they can't be sure what Alda could do to account for these deficiencies.

Also a note here that Duke Birgit and Vidal have been discussing Asagi and co's demon king fragment sealing technology given this possibility. Unfortunately, since the tech was designed to seal the materialized pieces of Guduranis's body rather than the pure soul parts of his core, they have no idea if it would work against the core fragments in Alda's possession. Not to mention the thing doesn't work if you don't beat the crap out of the fragment / host first. So potentially useful, but not reliable.

Also good bit in here about how Schneider kinda wishes they were dealing with Marshkuzarl again rather than Alda. No matter how much of a cold-hearted monster Marshy can be, his fundamental desire is the survival and prosperity of his country. Thus he'd never do anything that would lead to its total destruction. (in fact, we already know he's perfectly willing to make Amid a vassal state of Vidal if it means the nation can continue on rather than engage in an all-out war) But Alda, who sits up in his own little nice divine realm and has watched plenty of nations with his believers rise and fall over the years is ultimately willing to sacrifice all of Amid if it means getting closer to his "clean world". Amid is nothing but a means to him, not an end. Densuke even notes that while Schneider has no way of knowing this, Alda's perfectly willing to have all but 3,000 mortals die again, just like at the end of the Demon King War, if it means killing Van. Still, it was Alda and his believers who deposed Marshy in the first place. Schneider just kidnapped him later. So it's not like Schneider doing something different would have gotten them Marshy to deal with instead of Alda.

Anyway, back to the special training: Van unfortunately is very powerful right now. Sure, if you start with a power of 10, and add another 10, you've doubled in power. But adding 10 to 1000 gets you a power boost of... 1%. Van requires more and more experience with each new job, it's hard for him to find opponents to sharpen his skills against, any additional demon king fragments they can quickly get access to won't give him the kind of power boost eating the more than a dozen fragments Avalon / Guduranis had did, it's all just a huge problem. That's why Van has given up trying to strengthen himself for the moment. Were you wondering why Randolf, Merolis, Schneider, Lisanna, Bone Man, Knochen, Darcia, Gufadgarn and others were all here? Welp, here's the reason: Van's decided instead of doing special training for himself to deal with Guduranis, he's going to do special training for everyone else to deal with Guduranis!

We cut to Bone Man, Borkus and Vigaro in Van's demon realm inner world facing off against a thing made of red slime and jagged crystals, a four armed beetle looking thing standing on it's hind legs with various weapons in each of its hands, and a huge tiger looking beast with multiple eyes and horns and wings sticking out of it. Vigaro then asks if they could stop making weird growls.

Monster: "Grrr ......Vigaro, I thought we agreed there was no chatting in the middle of the training session."

Yes, all the monsters are custom demon king avatars generated by Van to recreate various forms and tactics used by Guduranis, (which Van now has full access to having consumed [The Demon King's Memories]), in order to help his friends learn how to defeat a partially resurrected Guduranis themselves. Unfortunately, since it is Van, they are all terrible actors giving monotone line deliveries. Tiger Van suggests maybe he can make his growl sound slightly more like a cat (Grrme~ow!) would that help Vigaro with the lack of tension? Borkus and Bone Man however jump in here and say they think it's probably better if Van just doesn't do any growls.

Anyway, with this they restart. Despite using their best abilities, it's very hard for the three to deal with the Demon Kings, who quickly regenerate from damage, have a huge range of abilities like firing lasers out of their eyes, or breathing fire, or shooting water jets made of blood from their snouts, or electrifying their bodies, and all sorts of other odd skills. They also can reproduce high powered killing intent by using Van's [Death World] focused and shot from particular directions, as Van himself is just practicing here and doesn't actually want anyone dead. Speaking of, if anyone does get seriously hurt, Van is standing by with a [Delay Death] spell and a tank full of blood potion. Not that any of the trainees want to be mortally wounded and get embarrassed in front of the crowd. Oh yes, there's a crowd in attendance. Various demons are watching these fights themselves (some of whom I assume were in the fight with Guduranis in the last volume) and are giving their own thoughts on how each of the trainees performed after each bout. Do your best everyone!

Honestly thought when the chapter started that Van was going to break into the the Trial of Bellwood to use what was left of Curatos's Demon King Guduranis fights, but maybe Van will use that for his own training later down the line? Well, anyway, next chapter's on August 9th.

 

I absolutely want Van to use Alda’s dungeon for something. Though couldn’t he just go around destroying the trial dungeons all the Alda gods made. Pretty sure that would have an effect similar or greater to what he did when he destroyed Alda’s stakes in Vida.

 

Honestly that's a really good idea Xacual gets slayer and shadow (forgot his name that's how good he is)sneak across set up some c4 god devourer demon king explosives with some some van familiars then retreat and boom + fireworks telling Alda you're welcome no more dungeons in amid.

Like what you said this would cripple the hell out of the minor, and mid gods
Prevent future growth, demoralize them streghen Van abit because there's like a dozen trials for the devourer skill and did van ever finish of bellwoods trial because if he hasen't there's another tumor and brain cancer for Alda.

Alda worst case scenario gets more desperate and does more crazy stuff so just keep the c4s ready and explode then strategycaly when the times right Go all Sun Tzu''s the art of war on Alda.

 

Van be like: Imma gonna make this a wax museum *baths Fakeranis with DK made wax*

I wonder, could Van make one of his inner worlds an SSSSSSS+ Dungeon to train? I don'tbthink he have done the whole "training in my inner world" thing yet.

 

Van might get new ally well he will probably just eat the god of chains since he semed to been a prick and it would strength him his eyes of corruptions and other mental abilities and Van becomes The God of chains (isert joke wink wink) get his God powers and some other stuff and Van will become Bellwods savior get some interesting titles and job that will make Alda angry and confused.

Alda be like what, how could you, he's mine.
Alda Bellwood yaoi here we go


Vans SSS dungeon dint he try one in demon continent but all bosses just came at you immediately and had some other glitches well what ever after van takes over bellwoods trial he could merge it with Zakkarts, Demon continent and maybe Avalons bring to his inner world and theirs the SSSS+ Dungeon, Vandelius spoky trial full of lovecraftian monsters and stuff and everything in between and every thing else.

 

no, he was not an idiot, he just has a lot of hatred for the Arda faction, but even if it was in the past he was a kind guy who dreamed of starting a new life in Lambda and very similar to Van in that it is difficult for him say no to his followers

 

The tartarus job I wonder what it does? Cant wait.

 

tartarus is hell, so Van become the hell it self aka personification of hell. It probaly because he experimented the sinner and rehabilited them. Flame of purgatory in first level of hell is used to clean sin after all.

 

Does Amid "Holy" Empire still has the DK modified fragments, like the sword that became George, Queen Iris' father?
Ive been thinking about IF Bellwood where to seperate his will from Heinz, is it possible for him to switch side or even take a neutral stand by not interfering with the battle because of his guilt (the reason why he remain stuck with the evil god of sinful chains i.e. he is not sleeping at all). I wish that was the case, especially with Alda's current state of mind. Heinz power with greatly diminishe. And I also have a problem with Nineroad unlike Bellwood, she has the power to talk to Alda, as a fellow god that governs an attribute, this time or even stop the experiments made by his church. Those will give them a slight power up but it greatly contradicts to their "teachings". Shizuran will be disappointed with what happened to his brothers mostly Alda.

 

about the sword, that was not the modified fragment, the wip was. van would have absorbed it if that was the case.

 

No good. If you corner Alda too much like that he would start his holy war imediatly and release in both Orbaum and Vidal Empire a couple or trio of guduranis with soul frags and remainning phisical fragments evenly distributed - released at diferent locations so as not to get more powerfull than Alda could manage later - and Van allies can't win against a doubled soul frag Gudu yet.

Darcia can only defeat one soul frag Gudu, so until at least Van's main members can defeat one guduranis as strong as back then in Orbaum Capital he can't take a action which may force Alda to use his lasts resorts imediatelly

Why anyone between Van reincarnators allies remember the spirit time chamber (Dragon Ball Reference)? leading to someone suggesting Van to create a S class dungeon with accelerated time flow for everyone's trainning.

Note: Not a bugged dungeon like the one in Dark Continent, but one with more proper planning.

Thanks to Van awakening twice many skills, his labyrinth Domination should be capable of creating a well over 100 floors S-Class dungeon with abudant high ranked monters and bosses of the same rank in strenght as Guduranis'artificial spirits and a time flowing 10X or + faster than the outside world as its main theme.

Trainning his companions would be easy, not to mention that a time flow of 10X inside the dungeon would greatly reduce the real time for rank 14,15,16 bosses to appear again

If Van can make such a dungeon inside his in world body he can let that Slot's inworld Van self to wipe out monsters with his Divine/God spirit magic, leveling up not only him but all his ghosts as well.

If there is no monsters to get ride off he can just workaholicly create several hundreds of huge, tons of, lumps of adamant and mythryl and turn them all in rank 10+ Golem, wipe them out with his magic and repeat the whole process.