Spoiler Latest Chapter Discussion Thread for Death Mage Raws

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  1. Culaio

    Culaio Member

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    Its both disappointing(would prefer if van had it ;p) and worrying, knowing that there is someone out there that has alchemy skill reaching territory of divine, still Van may unlock some even higher tier job once he levels up/max out "Thaumaturgy", but its hard for me to imagine something higher version of alchemy then "Thaumaturgy", there is also possibility of Van getting access to new high their alchemy job by fulfiling some conditions, like having specific skills mastered and so on(we saw having specific skills or equipment can give you access to new types of jobs than standard one, even though they share some of same skills), like for example having high level spirt/soul related to skills or even his of death magic could have impact on direction in which he takes his alchemy skill/job.

    By the way do we have description of bloodrule skill, how different it is from bloodwork ?
     
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  2. Nakakure

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    Well there also existance of "Wall" in job and rank system.
     
  3. Nakakure

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    It's probaly making Van gained more temporary stat boost also using Demon King Blood more easy
     
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    Not for Van. Vida made sure that Van wouldn't have any walls.
     
  5. DragonkingKyo

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    what do you mean temporary stat boost bloodwork increases his stats permanently when drinking blood not temporarily.
     
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    Woah. That is just awesome. Van should drink blood more often. Especially from Bellmond.
     
  7. jemini

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    Well, the entirety of the street-stalls traid-city arc he was drinking his mother's blood every day like he drank her breast milk as an infant. He wasn't just gaining stats from this, he was also gaining skills. Since he was gaining his mother's life enhancement skill from drinking her blood, she actually insisted that he keep drinking her blood until he has that skill even with hers.

    We can probably assume he stopped after maxing the skill, but that wasn't actually said explicitly.
     
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  8. kari-no-sugata

    kari-no-sugata Well-Known Member

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    This is a nice idea in the sense that such cooperation would be a good thing (the idea put a smile on my face). But what is the target audience for this? The people around Talosheim are already happily using Van's custom dungeons and for the Vidal Empire in general there'd be no real issues. So, the people of the current duchy, for example? However, currently Van doesn't want to reveal the extent of his powers.


    One thought that occurred to me is that perhaps the old creation orientated champions might have had some of these jobs... though you might expect they'd have then had the same lower level ones too. But on the other hand, perhaps they had different techniques so the lower level skills/jobs were different? Anyway, I have no real idea how likely this is but it did make me wonder what kind of jobs the original champions had.
     
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  9. Culaio

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    Thats a really good point, I didnt even think that it could be possesed who is dead already. it would be kinda ironic to be blocked from getting some job/s by your past self.

    Also I think that Van could get some spirit/soul related version of alchemy since one of goals of alchemy is to perfect human soul(purify the human soul), by doing that human soul can be reunited with God.
    Also achievement of gnosis.
     
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  10. Nakakure

    Nakakure #GP2019

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    No Van still facing wall before he got many divine protection. Remember that Van facing wall before killing Kanatascum.
    Like what you said, at last current and future duchy, actually it better if Van can do spirit descent of Ricklent and changing the owner of dungeon that evil god from demon king faction to their own.
    Well the alternative plan is only give dungeon entrance Vida faction and Ricklent holy symbol without publication.
    Actually the basic idea for this because Ricklent seem disapointed to him/her self that didn't think something to give Van legitimate reason to have "Second Coming of Ark" tittle
     
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  11. kari-no-sugata

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    I really like the idea of Ricklent (and possibly Botin and Peria as well) hoping that Van is honoured as the reincarnation of all 4 heroes, not just Zakkart. Would be very reasonable from their point of view. Maybe Van's name will end up being: Vandalieu Zakkart Ark Solder Hillwillow (or similar). A bit of a mouthful but it's actually rather common for important people to have long names and in this case it would be fully justified.

    Ricklent is also the sort-of hidden MVP of the series, given much of the help that Van has gotten from the gods since being reincarnated on Lambda is directly due to the oracles that Ricklent sent to others, including Vida, starting from 100 years ago.
     
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  12. Mesaphrom

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    How about Zarksohi for a name?

    The way I see it, is that since Van inherited the will of the group and he is not really a reincarnation of them but his own person, they support him as a new creation champion, and Ricky already said that more than them being heroic he want the to bring change to the world, this is why he and Zuru gave Van the 'Violator' Title.
     
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  13. Nakakure

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    Actually all of Champions are Violator even bellwood as Zuruwarm sugestion is to call Violator. "destroying older order/Value and create new order/Value" because bellwood is the winner in the last game/bet. he can't be called Violator right now because he already establish his order/Value.
    Van is Violator who bluring the line between life and dead. Violator of bellwood order/Value. Violator of reincarnation systems. Violator between worlds.
     
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    New chapter, after Van's job change the mayor of the Homonculus village throws a welcome party for Van and everybody. After this, they have a strategy meeting about how to assault the gods and then Van proposes a plan of attack that involves...
    making a fake look-alike of the Quatro piloted by stone golems and a few demon-king doubles (Van's alter-egos placed into bodies made from demon king parts.) Upon luring the gods into attack this fake Quatro, it turns out the entire hull is a bomb loaded up with Demon King fat and Demon King horns for shrapnel, which severely injures the 2 gods who approached the closest.

    I have a question. As I am an MTL reader, I would like for a RAW reader to kindly give a proper translation for the very last line of the chapter before it went off into the lore explanation of Homunculi. It looked like it was probably something that could hint heavily at what we are going to see happen next chapter, so the exact phrasing of that line is definitely important and not something to be trusted to the shoddy machine translation.
     
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  15. Claus

    Claus Well-Known Member

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    It is also possible that Vandalieu has to switch job to [Creator] before appearing [Thaumaturgist] in his job list.

    Now I ask myself, if now that Vandalieu has chosen the job [Destruction Guide], the job [Destroyer] will appear and perhaps also appear [Shiva], as a possible job.
     
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  16. Nakakure

    Nakakure #GP2019

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    But Van didn't have spear skill rights. So how he can have Shiva job, what i know Shiva famous weapon is kind of spear.
    And damn it i thought Creation and Destruction guider will open new kind of Guider job. I hope divine spirit job will make ghost type monster to more easy ranking up. I hope Van will have more friendly God Job to balance his divine enemy job.
     
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  17. Nakakure

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    Status update from thread maker aka @FussyBadger
    Volume 12 Stats
    Attributes:
    Vitality: 577,752 (2,061 UP!)
    Mana: 8,940,478,230+(8,046,430,407) (overall 808,900,411 UP!)
    Strength: 59,631 (749 UP!)
    Agility: 52,968 (217 UP!)
    Stamina: 63,430 (950 UP!)
    Intelligence: 68,171 (678 UP!)
    Job: Destruction Guider
    Level: 0

    Job history:
    Death-Attribute Mage
    Golem Transmuter
    Undead Tamer
    Soul Breaker
    Venom Fist User
    Insect User
    Tree Caster
    Demon Guider
    Archenemy
    Zombie Maker
    Golem Creator
    Corpse Demon Commander
    Demon King User
    Dark Guider
    Labyrinth Creator
    Creation Guider
    Dark Healer
    Disease Demon
    Magic Cannoneer
    Spirit Warrior
    Enchanter
    Dream Guider
    Demon King
    Demiurge
    Whip Tongue Calamity
    Divine Enemy
    Dead Spirit Mage
    Thread Manipulator
    Great Demon King
    Vengeful Berserker
    《Jobs that can be selected:
    【Dark King Mage】
    【Fallen Warrior】
    【Insect Nin】
    【Enchanter】
    【Dungeon Master】
    【Chaos Guider】
    【Void King Mage】(虚王魔術師)
    【Eclipse Shaman】(蝕呪士)
    【Daemon Ruler】(デーモンルーラー)
    【Creator】(創造主)
    【Pale Rider】(ペイルライダー)
    【Tartarus】(タルタロス)
    【Ara Mitama】(荒御魂)
    【Dark Battery Cannoneer】(冥群砲士)
    【Magic Wand Creator】(魔杖創造者)
    【Soul Grappler】(魂格闘士)
    【God Destroyer】(神滅者)
    【Qliphoth】(クリフォト)
    【Dark Beast User】(冥獣使い)
    【Spirit Tuner】(整霊師)
    【Artisan: Transformation Equipment】(匠:変身装具)
    【Shadow Warrior】(虚影士)
    【Balor】(バロール)
    【Apollyon】(アポリオン)
    【Demogorgon】(デモゴルゴン)
    【Soul Eater】(魂喰士)
    【God Eater】(神喰者)
    【Nergal】(ネルガル)
    【Rakshasa King】(羅刹王)
    【Shaitan】(シャイターン) (arabic word شيطان, not サタン/Satan)
    【Chi You】(蚩尤)
    【Divine Spirit Mage】(神霊魔術師)
    【Uroboros】(ウロボロス)
    【Rudra】(ルドラ)
    【Blood Ruler】(血統者)
    【Demonic Lightning Warrior】(魔電士)
    Title:
    【Ghoul Emperor】
    【Eclipse Emperor】
    【Guardian of the Cultivation Villages】
    【Holy Son of Vida】
    【Scaled Emperor】
    【Tentacle Emperor】
    【Champion】
    【Demon King】
    【Oni Emperor】
    【Conquerer of the Trial】(試練の攻略者)
    【Violator】(This is Zuruwarn's term for the champions, 侵犯者/Violator (of boundries, taboos, life/death, etc.), not just Invader)
    【Black Blood Emperor】(黒血帝)
    【Dragon Emperor】(龍帝)
    【King of the Stalls】(屋台王)
    【Genius Tamer】(天才テイマー)
    【True Ruler of the Entertainment District】(歓楽街の真の支配者)
    【Patron Saint of TransformingEquipment】(変身装具の守護聖人)
    Passive Skills:
    Herculean Strength: Level 6
    Rapid Regeneration: Level 4 (LEVEL UP!)
    Dark King Magic: Level 9 (Level UP!)
    Status Effect Nullity (Awakened from Status Effect Resistence!)
    Magic Resistance: Level 9
    Dark Vision
    Dark Demon Creation Destruction Dream Path Enticement: Level 9 (fused with 【Destruction Path Enticement】!)
    Chant Revocation: Level 9
    Guidance: Dark Demon Creation Destruction Dream Path: Level 9 (fused with 【Guidance: Destruction Path】!)
    Perpetual Mana Recovery: Level 2
    Mass Strengthen Adherents: Level 3
    Deadly Venom Secretion (Claws, Fangs, Tongue): Level 4
    Enhanced Agility: Level 9
    Body Expansion (Tongue): Level 10
    Augmented Attack Power while Unarmed: Small
    Enhanced Physical Ability (Hair, Claws, Fangs, Tongue): Level 9
    Magic Thread Refining: Level 1
    Mana Enlargement: Level 9
    Mana Recovery Rate Increase: Level 9
    Strengthened Attack Power while Firing Magic Cannon: Max
    Augmented Vitality: Level 2
    Strengthened Attribute Values: Ruling: Level 6
    Strengthened Attribute Values: Target of Religious Faith: Level 3
    Strengthened Attribute Values: Vidal Demon Empire: Level 1
    Self-Renewal: Cannibalism: Level 3 (LEVEL UP!)
    Augmented Attribute Values: Cannibalism: Level 3 (LEVEL UP!)
    Strengthened Attack Power while Using Materialized Soul: Medium (LEVEL UP!)

    Active Skills:
    Bloodrule: Level 1
    Surpass Limits: Level 8
    Golem Creation: Level 7
    Void King Magic: Level 6
    Precise Mana Control: Level 3 (LEVEL UP!)
    Cooking: Level 8
    Thaumaturgy: Level 1 (Awakened from Alchemy!) <錬金術->錬神術>
    Soul Destroying Combat Technique: Level 5
    Poly-Cast: Level 4
    Surgery: Level 8
    Realization: Level 4
    Coordination: Level 10
    Ultra-Fast Thought Processing: Level 6
    Commanding: Level 10
    Thread-reeling: Level 8
    Throwing: Level 10
    Scream: Level 8 (LEVEL UP!)
    Divine Spirit Magic: Level 2
    Demon King Artillery Technique: Level 5 (LEVEL UP!)
    Armour technique: Level 10
    Shield technique: Level 10
    Group Shadow Binding Technique: Level 7
    Trascend Limits: Fragments: Level 2 (LEVEL UP!)
    Refined Spirit: Level 1
    Whip Technique: Level 3
    Spirit Form Transformation: Lightning
    Staff Technique: Level 2
    High-Speed Flight: Level 1

    Unique Skills:
    God Devourer: Level 8
    Abnormal Soul Hive
    Mental Encroachment: Level 9
    Labyrinth Creation: Level 5
    Great Demon King
    Abyss: Level 10
    Divine Enemy
    Soul Devour: Level 9
    Vida's Divine Protection
    God of Earth’s Divine Protection
    Collective Thinking: Level 7
    Zantark's Divine Protection
    Collective Operation: Level 7
    Spirit body: Level 4
    Demon King's Evil Eye
    God of Origin's Divine Protection
    Ricklent's Divine Protection
    Zuruwarn's Divine Protection
    Perfect Recording Technique
    Surpass Limits: Soul: Level 2 (LEVEL UP!)
    Mutagenesis
    Demon King's Flesh
    Demigod

    Curses:
    Experience gained in previous life not carried over
    Cannot learn existing jobs
    Unable to gain experience independently
    Demon King fragments:
    Blood
    Horns
    Suckers
    Ink Sacs
    Carapace
    Scent Glands
    Luminescent Organs
    Blubber
    Jaw (Fangs, Chin)
    Eyeballs (Retinas, Lenses)
    Proboscis
    Fur
    Exoskeleton
    Jointed Legs
    Antenna
    Claws
    Compound Eyes
    Gills
    Auxiliary Brain
    Protuberance
    Veins
    Tongue
    Lungs
    Fins
    Venom Glands
    Bones
    Skin
    Orb
    Evil Eye
    Nerves
    Stomach
    Membrane
    Feathers
    Shadow
    Tentacles
    Scales
    Bone Marrow
    Fallopian Tube
    Silk Glands
    Muscles
    Crystals
    Sweat Glands
    Cnidocyte
    /SPOILER]
     
  18. Wannabe-shutin

    Wannabe-shutin Well-Known Member

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    I am an mtl reader myself, so you should take that with a grain of salt:
    In my understanding, Van has been watching the gods with a small compound eye, waiting for them to return to their base via transfer.
    With that Gufadgarn can track the destination of their transfer, allowing them to make traps after luring them out, block reinforcements from being transfered to the vicinity and do some spying.

    If I am wrong, please correct me.
     
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  19. Nakakure

    Nakakure #GP2019

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    Wow. I only understand half of chapter but if it's true Van really have good strategy. Using enemy strategy to corner them.
     
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    Nakakure #GP2019

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    Van Skill i like to become superior skill
    Dark King Magic: Level 9 -> Great Dark King Magic.
    Magic Resistance: Level 9 -> Magic Nulfication.
    Enhanced Agility: Level 9 -> augmented Agility.
    Enhanced Physical Ability (Hair, Claws, Fangs, Tongue): Level 9 -> Augmented Physical Ability (Hair, Claws, Fangs, Tongue)
    Mana Enlargement: Level 9 -> Mana Expansion.
    Mana Recovery Rate Increase: Level 9 -> Great Mana Recovery Rate
    Strengthened Attack Power while Firing Magic Cannon: Max -> Augmented Attack Power while Firing Magic Cannon: Small
    Coordination: Level 10 -> Massive Coordination.
    Commanding: Level 10 -> Massive Commanding.
    Throwing: Level 10 -> Demon King Throwing technique.
    Scream: Level 8 -> Soul destroying Roar.
    Armour technique: Level 10 -> Demon King Armor technique.
    Shield technique: Level 10 -> Demon King Shield technique.
    Abyss: Level 10 -> Deep Abyss (for reference sake "Lord Abyss")

    All Demon King technique probaly become Great Demon King technique.. I hope Van suprass limit didn't become superior skill.
     
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