LCD Legendary Moonlight Sculptor

That's nonsensical. Geihar is a human sized sculpture(that Weed should have made beforehand). Monsters are generally not. Geihar is not going to be able to sculpt large monsters in 5 minutes. Not if he wants any sort of quality. It's unlikely that Geihar's sculpting is all that much better than Weed's anyway. They're both Masters. It's just stats and subskills at this point.

He didn't sculpt the Baraags. He sculpted their ancestors.He could summon Bahamorg and the birds that we know of. Summon sculptors isn't even a standard skill. Grid learned it on a quest. No, real reason for his horn if he can just summon stuff.

 

No he sculpted a few Baraags, but he called the whole race in the past, so his call should still work on the ones there with Seoyoon, who have been expecting him.

 

Did you not understand 'he sculpted their ancestors'? Calling is not the same as summoning. Weed could probably summon all of the desert warriors descendant from his guys by that logic.

 

Like how he summons so many representatives of the spirits he sculpted, i would guess, by that reasoning. You seem to not understand, 'he sculpted their ancestors' very well, it was mentioned in this actual release, Geihar is the Creator of Life, and all the sculpted races still know him, just like how the descendants of the Dessert Warriors, and Steel Warriors, came to Arpen to pay their respects.

 

Are you referring to Weed with the elemental spirits? That comparison doesn't work because that actually seems to be summoning magic.

I thought we were literally talking about summoning magic if you didn't pick that up. As in Weed has a skill to summon his sculptures to his side.

If you're just talking about them going to his location it's based item of them being able to get there in time to do something. As I said Weed summoned him in the middle of a battlefield without anything to bring to life.

 

There are still a couple sculptures, but no, i specifically used the word "call" not summon, in my clarifying comments. I also don't think Sculpting was his only skill, and he probably trained his sword skills back up in order to protect Yellowy in the future.

 

It's not much of a clarification if you don't actually say that you meant the other word. They are synonyms so you changing terminology is pointless unless you actually say it.

I don't think his sword skills dropped. I think his stats and levels did.

 

He said that his skills were diminished, back then, that's why he couldn't teach them any sword skills. Back in that "battle" he called out to his creations, the descendants of his sculptures (baraags were one of the first things he ever sculpted), and had them converge on that beach. Now, the baraags are already there, and i think there may be other creatures, just waiting for his signal.

 

Why did he say his skills were diminished? Because he focused on sculpting and such. As in he brought too many things to life and weakened himself until the point that he couldn't properly show his swordsmanship. Skills don't seem to degrade in this story beyond dying which he obviously didn't do. Thus we can presume that his sword skills never diminished but his level and stats dropped. They're on an entirely different front. It's a matter of how quickly they can arrive, and them surviving a Hermes barrage.

 

Really depends on the creature, he specialized in very large sculptures, and you have to ask yourself, how big does it have to be, before you don't realize the hill you're on is alive? Unless the baraags brought them over, i can't expect any of the ones' Weed saw then, to be hiding out nearby, but maybe there are some tunneling creatures, or like I said previously, Geihar will create or repair some huge sculptures before the Hermes surround them.

 

Why are you guys arguing 'summon' and 'called' at this point? It's doesn't really matter if Gheiha is a master sculptor or swordmaster, in the first place, he's a 'BOSS monster'/NPC. Unless you in a quest (like weed in desert warrior days) the ability of NPC is guarantee to be superior to players. Look at Blakan(whatever his name is, that necromancer) or the guy that weed resurrected at earth palace war, their ability was far surpass the player's ability. That's why Haven need to fight them as army instead of going 1v1 or few v 1. You arguing what he can and cannot comparing to weed since they are both 'master sculptor' is stupid. If you can fight Boss monster or Boss monster's ability is similar to player, why would they called them boss monster then? What he can and cannot shouldn't be guess since It's more logical in a GAME that NPC/MONSTER ability can be OP and maybe able to do shit that doesn't make sense. In the first place, Boss monster at the same lv at player cannot be compare in both stats and ability.

 

This isn't Overgeared. There's no such guarantee.

Those guys were probably level 800+ and with combat classes. Geihar seems to have drastically weakened his combat abilities bringing things to life.

He's not a monster in the first place. Plus did you miss Weed tearing through the path of struggle alone? What about him escorting the princess alone? Boss monster is relative. Van Hawk and Tori are both boss monsters and Weed has been beating them for ages.

Again this isn't Overgeared. Stop thinking like it is. NPCs and players in Royal Road generally operate on the same rules as players. They don't have a special NPC stat and skill system that works differently. The NPCs that are powerful are powerful on the same principles as the players.

Not gonna happen. The only way for that to happen would be moonlight sculpting(which still takes a while) or maybe some element manipulation. He's not going to make a huge sculpture while under fire in a short period of time. It's not happening.

 

Why are you keep comparing to Overgeared? This is not overgeared but I'm talking about Game in general. If the player can Raid that NPC then s/he is consider a monster in my player perspective. You said those guys are 800+ so they are strong but You don't really know Geiha's LV yet. He's weaker? Compare to when? His peak day? What lv is he then? Maybe 1000+? We don't know. Maybe his 'weaken' self is still lv 800+ - 900+ since it's not yet clarified. Weed tearing to part of struggle is because it's was made that it's possible to pass. As I said, you keep thinking this is a different world with the same logic as our world so you keep applied common sense into it but ultimately it is a game world and why would a game creator or the super AI make a trial that they don't expect the player to be passable. They make NPC/Boss monster to be out of the norm in game for a reason so that the player can overcome them so they need to be OP. And NPC/Boss Monster usually shouldn't be comparable to a player otherwise it would be at a single-player game instead of a Massive Online game where co-operation is need to overcome challenge. That's also the reason why weed's revival skill can't control the revived NPC/Monster since it would be too broken since they know those NPC is individually strong.

 

Because you're applying the concept of bosses and NPCs from Overgeared over here. There's little to no difference between players and NPCs is the point. A player Necromancer came become just as dangerous as Balkan. The reason Great Emperor Weed was so powerful is because of the time he had to do so. There were no quest powers making him stronger.

We've seen how he handles a war and didn't get personally involved so logic doesn't really support that. He made a specific comment about not being able to use his sword anymore or something.

It was made possible to pass for people insanely strong enough to do so. Not for everybody. That's the point of it being a trial. The point being that there were monsters that would be considered boss monsters in it that he killed alone. The monsters in there would have been harder to kill than regular boss monsters because the person is suppose to be starving.

You seem to have forgotten that the creator didn't actually expect people to enjoy his game in the first place. He wanted it to give people despair. The game starts with NPCs hundreds of levels above players thus your logic is null. On NPCs Players can obviously improve their stats and skills beyond the average of other players. NPCs can as well which is why I said they work on the same system.

Don't put your opinion as fact. Weed can't control anything except his elementals. He can't even control the sculptures he brings to life outside of brainwashing and threatening them. Tori and Van Hawk are the same. It's logically consistent that he can't control them since that has nothing to do with the skill.

 

That was the last time we saw him alive, the revived one has all the experiences and memories leading up to his death, he may have leveled back up in the intervening time.

I noticed you cut "repair" out of my comment, but whatever. There are still a few intact giant sculptures around, you know, and there were people organizing to make new abominations out of the rubble, mostly out of the mismatched parts that were too damaged to repair, but too big to just scrap.

You seem to be remembering wrong, the Path of Struggle is tuned to your level, if the player is insanely strong, so is the Path. You need to be strong of will, and skilled to make it through without healing, or items. It also ramps up the difficulty, for every person on the Path, and the farther in you go. So Weed ended up soloing the two-person Path.

 

Maybe, maybe not. No reason to base things on what we haven't seen. One reaches less to assume he's in the same situation that we've last seen him in.

Yes, because I wanted to focus on that building a giant sculpture on the spot is ridiculous. There's actually a skill for repairing things after all. That being said my original point was that Weed summoned him in the middle of nowhere as opposed to anywhere near where they made the sculptures.

I don't think it ever said that the advanced path is tuned to your level. What it does say is that you shouldn't bother going if you're not at least level 400. Weed didn't solo a two person path. Weed clearly went in before Python and then went into the solo portion of the path.

 

Look at previous examples, Balkan was alive, but clearly the same one that Weed killed, he was quite offended to find himself with flesh; and then there is Hestiger, who recounted stories of his adventures after Weed left the past, and even had new gear with him when he went into battle at the Earth Palace. They come back in the form Weed sculpts them, but they have what they had at death.
Edit:it's an over simplification, but no one has been revived with the infirmity of age, or the illness they died from, they have their peak strength, and all their memories, skill, leading up to their last moments.

There's a level requirement (only technically), you need to go through the previous Training Halls (there may be level requirements here), but other than that, you're referring to the Hermes accepted leveling guide, which recommends you go in with a forty man raid group, so that the fighters can cycle out to rest, and fighting in turns.

 

Those aren't really previous examples as they're unique. Balkan being the same is balkan being the same. The only difference is him being alive because that's what the spell does and him not having the sword in him. Hestiger was in the prime of his life when Weed last saw him and we didn't know what he would do afterwards. Arpen is an old man who is already the Emperor and we can reasonably expect him to keep living as the Emperor as opposed to quitting to dungeon diving.

Weed doesn't know what an old Balkan or Hestiger looks like old. He intentionally sculpted the queen in her youth. He is clearly sculpting an old man here. Besides you're attributing Arpen's weakness to his age when it seems unrelated. It's a result of him overusing life bestowal.

Yes, I'm referring to the Hermes guild saying that don't bother if you're under level 400. At any rate the key point was that you said that it scales to the player's level. If that were true then the level 400 advice is pointless. However, if you're going to fact monsters at that level then it makes sense for them to say it.

 

He quit to wander the land as a beggar already, why can't he take the national treasure class weapons he has on him, to dungeon dive after his time leaped apprentice tells him of a coming battle for the continent, and the future of sculpting art?

The online guide made from the experience of the Hermes, is for the extremely safe passing of the trial, it gives no bonuses, and is designed to be completed before the hunger affects their stats too much. Weed showed that plan isn't really as valid as people believed, by traversing it in the most dangerous ways, and getting the most rewards out of it. A true trial. With Weed's run as an example, a speed runner may be able to accomplish a similar feat, by going through the Path of Struggle at the bare minimum level required.

I don't remember him sculpting the queen young, pretty sure he left Zahab and the Queen Evane as an elderly couple. I'm attributing Arpen's weakness, to weakness, and saying that none of the past examples had any from their past life. Weed doesn't need to know what they looked like when they were older, Darone already taught him how to age up people for one, and the revived person knows what they were like in their old age.

 

He didn't quit. He was out. He was still the emperor. That's why he joined the battle and why that race originally went extinct when it happened. He could do that but the idea of training so that centuries later I can come back to life for a day is a bit ridiculous.

Hermes came up with that strategy for a reason. Because it's basically impossible otherwise. I can only imagine a top tier berserker type character ever pulling that off. You can't use Weed's method unless your skills are absurdly good and your stats are ridiculously high. Basically Hermes' strategy is better for almost everybody.

Well, he did. Zahab was old and the queen was at her prime.

Why would any of the past examples have any weakness? The only reason Arpen had that weakness is because he has a skill that reduced his level and he used it all the time. There's no equivalent so the comparison is pointless.

Weed still has no reason to sculpt old versions of people he knows better as young. Thus what he's likely to do. I don't see how them knowing what they were like as old people is relevant.