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Exitiumm · Jan 16, 2018

TiggerBane said: ↑

Yeah but you will generally have 3 invaders against 5 monsters. then on the 5th turn a new kobold appears on 10th turn you have 1 kobold defending and so it's a loss in 10 turns.
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OOC: Hmm, perhaps this would work? Added a buff to Goblins so that they will allow for effective swarm tatics, also reduced Kobold turn count by 1.

Insect Horde/Swarm - 3 ATK 5 HP Fast SPD, is a strong hitter that has a lot of speed but is very easy to kill. ( Can be summoned every other turn )
Goblins - 2 ATK 10 HP Balanced Speed, is a decently strong hitter that has decent speed with a decent amount of HP. ( Can be summoned every 3 Turns. And gains a buff of +15% ATK & HP multiplier when 2 goblins are in a 3x3 tile radius of eachother, this increases by 5% per goblin in that radius until maxing out at +35% to ATK and HP.)
Kobolds - 3 ATK 15 HP Balanced Speed, is a strong hitter with a decent amount of speed and HP ( Can only be summoned every 4 Turns)

TiggerBane · Jan 16, 2018

Exitiumm said: ↑

OOC: Hmm, perhaps this would work? Added a buff to Goblins so that they will allow for effective swarm tatics, also reduced Kobold turn count by 1.

Insect Horde/Swarm - 3 ATK 5 HP Fast SPD, is a strong hitter that has a lot of speed but is very easy to kill. ( Can be summoned every other turn )
Goblins - 2 ATK 10 HP Balanced Speed, is a decently strong hitter that has decent speed with a decent amount of HP. ( Can be summoned every 3 Turns. And gains a buff of +15% ATK & HP multiplier when 2 goblins are in a 3x3 tile radius of eachother, this increases by 5% per goblin in that radius until maxing out at +35% to ATK and HP.)
Kobolds - 3 ATK 15 HP Balanced Speed, is a strong hitter with a decent amount of speed and HP ( Can only be summoned every 4 Turns)
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Give Insect Horde 1 ATK but attack increases by 1 for every insect horde on an adjacent square. Goblins are fine now an where fine before tho and percentage based increases in this low attack level kind of game are useless

Exitiumm · Jan 16, 2018

TiggerBane said: ↑

Give Insect Horde 1 ATK but attack increases by 1 for every insect horde on an adjacent square. Goblins are fine now an where fine before tho and percentage based increases in this low attack level kind of game are useless
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OOC: The increase in HP is going to be crucial though, that could make a 2-shot goblin become a 3-shot, the ATK part is just so it isn't so bland, perhaps we could make a system where governors are able to choose a deck of monsters they wish to use? Like for example instead of Kobolds they could use 'Forest wolfs', would add a bit of strategy into the game, I may just be rambling about my ideas though due to being tired. Nerfed Insect Swarm, but added a horde buff.

Insect Horde/Swarm - 1 ATK 5 HP Fast SPD, is a strong hitter that has a lot of speed but is very easy to kill. ( Can be summoned every other turn, ATK increases by 1 for every other insect swarm on a adjacent square, caps at a maximum of 5 ATK.)
Goblins - 2 ATK 10 HP Balanced Speed, is a decently strong hitter that has decent speed with a decent amount of HP. ( Can be summoned every 3 Turns. And gains a buff of +15% ATK & HP multiplier when 2 goblins are in a 3x3 tile radius of eachother, this increases by 5% per goblin in that radius until maxing out at +35% to ATK and HP.)
Kobolds - 3 ATK 15 HP Balanced Speed, is a strong hitter with a decent amount of speed and HP ( Can only be summoned every 4 Turns)

TiggerBane · Jan 16, 2018

Exitiumm said: ↑

OOC: The increase in HP is going to be crucial though, that could make a 2-shot goblin become a 3-shot, the ATK part is just so it isn't so bland, perhaps we could make a system where governors are able to choose a deck of monsters they wish to use? Like for example instead of Kobolds they could use 'Forest wolfs', would add a bit of strategy into the game, I may just be rambling about my ideas though due to being tired. Nerfed Insect Swarm, but added a horde buff.

Insect Horde/Swarm - 1 ATK 5 HP Fast SPD, is a strong hitter that has a lot of speed but is very easy to kill. ( Can be summoned every other turn, ATK increases by 1 for every other insect swarm on a adjacent square, caps at a maximum of 5 ATK.)
Goblins - 2 ATK 10 HP Balanced Speed, is a decently strong hitter that has decent speed with a decent amount of HP. ( Can be summoned every 3 Turns. And gains a buff of +15% ATK & HP multiplier when 2 goblins are in a 3x3 tile radius of eachother, this increases by 5% per goblin in that radius until maxing out at +35% to ATK and HP.)
Kobolds - 3 ATK 15 HP Balanced Speed, is a strong hitter with a decent amount of speed and HP ( Can only be summoned every 4 Turns)
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This forces goblins to group and only buffs them by 4 Hp max and this amount then decreases each goblin killed also goblins have weaker attack than Kobolds and Insect Swarm would do more in larger groups so there is no point in the multiplier. Something like +7 total hp when 5 goblins are in 3x3 tile radius of each other this hp bonus doesn't dissapear until the goblins exit combat after the death of removal from area of one of the 5 goblins

Exitiumm · Jan 16, 2018

TiggerBane said: ↑

This forces goblins to group and only buffs them by 4 Hp max and this amount then decreases each goblin killed also goblins have weaker attack than Kobolds and Insect Swarm would do more in larger groups so there is no point in the multiplier. Something like +7 total hp when 5 goblins are in 3x3 tile radius of each other this hp bonus doesn't dissapear until the goblins exit combat after the death of removal from area of one of the 5 goblins
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OOC: Hmm, potentially but it'd take a while to get 5 goblins at all after the first few rounds so it'd likely not be a viable strategy to go for that buff honestly.

TiggerBane · Jan 16, 2018

Exitiumm said: ↑

OOC: Hmm, potentially but it'd take a while to get 5 goblins at all after the first few rounds so it'd likely not be a viable strategy to go for that buff honestly.
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More a stalling tactic to wait for minotaur in larger games I would say.

Exitiumm · Jan 16, 2018

TiggerBane said: ↑

More a stalling tactic to wait for minotaur in larger games I would say.
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OOC: Hmm, oh well might as well, this is afterall a framework and will need finetuning of these buffs, I'm gonna sleep in a min though, so night.

Insect Horde/Swarm - 1 ATK 5 HP Fast SPD, is a strong hitter that has a lot of speed but is very easy to kill. ( Can be summoned every other turn, ATK increases by 1 for every other insect swarm on a adjacent square, caps at a maximum of 5 ATK.)
Goblins - 2 ATK 10 HP Balanced Speed, is a decently strong hitter that has decent speed with a decent amount of HP. ( Can be summoned every 3 Turns, +7 HP when 5 goblins are in a 3x3 radius around one, affects all goblins in the formation.)
Kobolds - 3 ATK 15 HP Balanced Speed, is a strong hitter with a decent amount of speed and HP ( Can only be summoned every 4 Turns)

TiggerBane · Jan 16, 2018

Exitiumm said: ↑

OOC: Hmm, oh well might as well, this is afterall a framework and will need finetuning of these buffs, I'm gonna sleep in a min though, so night.

Insect Horde/Swarm - 1 ATK 5 HP Fast SPD, is a strong hitter that has a lot of speed but is very easy to kill. ( Can be summoned every other turn, ATK increases by 1 for every other insect swarm on a adjacent square, caps at a maximum of 5 ATK.)
Goblins - 2 ATK 10 HP Balanced Speed, is a decently strong hitter that has decent speed with a decent amount of HP. ( Can be summoned every 3 Turns, +7 HP when 5 goblins are in a 3x3 radius around one, affects all goblins in the formation.)
Kobolds - 3 ATK 15 HP Balanced Speed, is a strong hitter with a decent amount of speed and HP ( Can only be summoned every 4 Turns)
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Night and sounds feasible hope others agree

Ddraig · Jan 16, 2018

TiggerBane said: ↑

Night and sounds feasible hope others agree
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Sounds feasible provided the scattered weapons and buffs that I said to include are powerful enough. Also I think even Governor should have some buffs that buff the monsters.
Also I like the deck idea tho it is gonna be painful to balance in a way that every monster is viable

TiggerBane · Jan 16, 2018

Ddraig said: ↑

Sounds feasible provided the scattered weapons and buffs that I said to include are powerful enough. Also I think even Governor should have some buffs that buff the monsters.
Also I like the deck idea tho it is gonna be painful to balance in a way that every monster is viable
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Can do things like poison for some or a group that is always counted as stealth-ed and we need ranged monster.

Ddraig · Jan 16, 2018

TiggerBane said: ↑

Can do things like poison for some or a group that is always counted as stealth-ed and we need ranged monster.
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As long as the monsters don't become straight up cancer, everything is fine

TiggerBane · Jan 16, 2018

Ddraig said: ↑

As long as the monsters don't become straight up cancer, everything is fine
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That gives me a great idea for a monster that is linked to genetic manipulation and slowly forces your body to expend energy needlessly until you die lets call it. Cancer.

The Everdistant Utopia · Jan 16, 2018

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@The Everdistant Utopia "You trashed my report! The report I got dictated by my spirit for 5 hours! I wasted all the time, all for nothing! Compensate me!" The boy named Explodius seemed to bursting in tears at the abuse.
https://forum.novelupdates.com/posts/3650512/
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Here's the beginnings of a board game.

Based after a popular legend back in the old era, where there was a massive civil uprising in [XXX] country. Historians have argued over how, if decisions very made differently back then, the outcome of the war might not have been so different. Therefore, an aspiring merchant, with broad connections, managed to create a spin-off of that tale, resulting in this game. Alas, that merchant would later face bankruptcy and be forced to sell off all his possessions for money, where a certain squirrel lady would then buy it for 50 pieces of silver, and donate it to the Magic Association (such generosity!) for younger mages to play with.

It's the spring of the year [YYY]. The Kingdom of [XXX] is ruled over by a Tyrant King, who utilized Monster Control to keep his kingdom in an iron grip. Harsh punishments were meted out, even for the smallest of mistakes. Finally, the straw bent, and a rebellion started, right on the outskirts of the kingdom, in on of the frontier villages, which was governed by a greedy Governor that had been oppressing the people with the monsters he was given to by the Tyrant King.

A single game board carved out of elder wood.

A Governor Piece

A Rebel Warrior Piece

A Rebel Archer Piece

A Rebel Mage Piece

A Traitor Guard Piece (For matches of more than 4 people)

An Astrologer Piece (For matches of more than 4 people)

A Minotaur Piece (For matches of more than 4 people)

Lesser Monster Pieces (Goblins, Kobolds, Insects)

Instruction Manual...Not Found.

A 9-sided attack dice.

A 9-sided defence dice.

A 9-sided ambush dice.

A 9-sided movement dice.

You are the evil, the corruption, the root. You control the town at the beginning, but as the game goes on, and the rebels retake and wrestle control of the town away from your grip, your choices begin shrinking drastically. You have no fighting ability to speak of, since you have always led a life of indulgence and ease, but what you do have are monsters...and lots of them.
Wins if you manage to wipe out the Rebel Trio, and the Traitor Guard (if present).

You are the shield, the defender, the one that protects your allies, and prevents your enemies from rushing through. The epitome of a bullet sponge, you can soak up massive amounts of damage, but your attack power is slightly...underwhelming. However, in a party, you'll shine.
Wins if you manage to wipe out the Governor, and the Minotaur (if present).

You are the senses of the party, the keen, hawk-eyed archer. Nimble and agile, you can dodge most strikes with your reflexes, and your pinpoint accuracy gives you high physical attack power, but as a result, your defence and health pool suffers quite a bit. Oh well, better hope that there's a handy warrior around...
Wins if you manage to wipe out the Governor, and the Minotaur (if present).

You are the ultimate attacking power in your party, with your ability to cast magic and the like. Also, since magic isn't physical in nature, most enemies are completely defenceless against your attacks (With some exceptions). The drawback? You take a long time to cast magic, and therefore most monsters will be able to hit you before you torch them. Better hope someone is there to draw attacks away from you, because with that meagre health pool, you won't be lasting long.
Wins if you manage to wipe out the Governor, and the Minotaur (if present).

You were part of the Governor's team at first. Then the years of oppression, the monsters, and the general bullying of the populace of the Governor got to your conscience. You handed in your retirement notice, then left the city...Is what you made them believe. In actuality, you're still here, and nobody knows. The Governor doesn't know that a former close aide of his is lurking around the town, ready to mete out some vigilante justice. You hear of a rebellion in the town, and you have two choices; strength in numbers, or strike from the shadows.
Wins if you manage to wipe out the Governor, and the Minotaur (if present).

You were born into a happy family at first. Then, when your were 8, your tribe was wiped out, with you as the sole survivor. You were bound, by a slave contract, to obey the will of the Governor. You have no choice but to stay in his basement, feeding on raw chunks of other monsters, until he calls for you...Or do you.
Wins if you manage to wipe out the Governor OR The Rebel Trio/Traitor Guard.

You were born into nobility, and always had a knack for telling the weather. As you get older, your predictions became more and more accurate, until one day, your predictions have 100% accuracy. You can foretell whatever the next day's weather is, and that became your job.
Fun Role, You get to decide whatever the weather changes to, which affects the combat in-game.

Rebel Warrior (Close Range): Sword (Balanced), Axe (High Offensive Power, Slow), Shortsword (Low Offensive Power, Quick)
Rebel Archer (Mid Range): Longbow (High Offensive Power, Slow), Shortbow (Low Offensive Power, Quick), Crossbow (Balanced)
Rebel Mage (Long Range): Staff (High Offensive Power, Slow), Wand (Low Offensive Power, Quick), Tome (Balanced)
Traitor Guard (Mid Range): Halberd (Very Long Reach, Very Slow), Bardiche (Long Reach, Slow)
Minotaur (Mid Range): Massive Double Headed Axe (Mid Reach, Very High Offensive Power, Extremely Slow)

How's this look @The Everdistant Utopia?
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The Minotaur has the most hitpoints, followed by the Rebel Warrior, The Traitor Guard, The Rebel Archer, The Rebel Mage, and The Governor.

Highest Physical Attacker is the Minotaur, followed by the Archer, the Guard, the Warrior, the Mage (Staff Attack) and then the Governor.

The Mage is the only one with Magical Attack, but charging a spell requires one extra turn.

The Governor start off the game by deciding on the spots where his monsters should be placed (5 units). Every two turns, he can call in one more unit. Calling in the Minotaur to any random space (if applicable) requires an extra turn. Every turn, he can order the monsters to change positions, but changing positions will take one turn duration.

The Minotaur is essentially free to roam the map. If the Governor decides to Call in the Minotaur, The Minotaur can either reject or obey (See Below: Attack and Defence Dices)

Roll the Movement Dice. Advance according to the number shown.

The spot moved to, undergoes these changes. 1) The first piece to get to the spot will have to deal with any defenders here. 2) If the spot was Empty, the first to arrive enters [Stealth].

One turn for each player.

On normal conditions, the Rebel Trio/Traitor Guard get first strike, followed by monsters.

In case of an Ambush, the [Stealthed] party attacks first.

Combat order goes: Fast, Balanced, Slow, Very Slow, Extremely Slow.

Reach determines how far away you can hit the target from. Attacks at Close Range are strongest, followed by Mid and then Long Range.

Weapons with High Offensive Power contribute to the Attack Multiplier.

Low Offensive Power: 75% of the inflicted damage.

Balanced: 100% inflicted damage.

High Offensive Power: 125% of the inflicted damage.

Very High Offensive Power: 150% of the inflicted damage.

Decides how many squares a piece moves.

In combat, the movement dice represents [Evasion]. If your piece is on the defending side, and the Movement Dice roll exceeds the Attack Dice roll, And the Ambush Dice is active, then you parry and counter the attack completely, returning 100% of the damage back to the attacker.

The number you roll decides the strength of your attack.

If the Attack Dice roll is higher than the value of the Defence Dice roll, the attack lands.

For the Governor, rolling the Attack Dice determines if the Minotaur responds to his call.

The number you roll is the amount of defence the piece gains.

If the Defence Dice roll is higher than the value of the Attack Dice roll, the attack is blocked.

If the Minotaur rolls a Defence value higher than the Governor's Attack value, he can ignore the Governor's call completely.

When a piece moves to either an occupied or unoccupied spot, and take control of it, for two turns after that, assuming they don't move from that spot, enters [Stealth]. If an opposing piece enters the same spot, the Ambush Dice comes into play. Think of it as an additional Attack Dice.

The Ambush Dice only works for the first Attack (I mean, the element of Surprise only lasts so long).

[Attack Value (plus Ambush Value if applicable) - Defence Value] x Attack Multiplier

Attack Value > Defence Value = Successful Strike

Defence Value > Attack Value = Blocked

The Traitor Guard moves to a random spot, holding the Halberd.

There was already a Monster there, an [Ambush] occurs. The Governor rolls the Ambush Dice and the Attack Dice together.

The player controlling the Traitor Guard rolls either the Movement Dice or the Defence Dice.

Ambush + Attack value > Movement Value/Defence Value = Strike

Vice versa, Movement/Defence Value > Ambush + Attack Value = Dodge/Block

Combat continues, until one side is wiped out.

If anyone wants to help decide how much base Hp/Atk the pieces should start of with, by all means, go ahead.
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Haxagen said: ↑

Seems good! Let's go with these values, then.
@The Everdistant Utopia
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((Seems good~))

TiggerBane · Jan 16, 2018

The sewers seem to be getting more dangerous each time someone cleans them. Also I wonder if the roof is fixed yet?

The Everdistant Utopia · Jan 16, 2018

TiggerBane said: ↑

The sewers seem to be getting more dangerous each time someone cleans them. Also I wonder if the roof is fixed yet?
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"It has..." A random staff informs.

TiggerBane · Jan 16, 2018

Night everyone

AliceShiki · Jan 16, 2018

((Btw, here is a board for the board game, dunno how big you wanted it to be though... *shrugs*))

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Exitiumm · Jan 16, 2018

Ddraig said: ↑

No of players = n
Starting board size (floor(21+2n+n^0.5)) x (floor(21+2n + n^0.5))
Every two turns the board size reduces by one (place that governor selected to start at would not be reduced) (else everyone will just sit down at a place for ambush)
Also scattered weapons/buffs on the map
Also people won't know others position (except that of governor). Others position will only be revealed if the person is in attack range or at a distance of less than 3 squares provided they are not in stealth
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AliceShiki said: ↑
((Btw, here is a board for the board game, dunno how big you wanted it to be though... *shrugs*))

Code:

A B C D E F G H ╔═══╦═══╦═══╦═══╦═══╦═══╦═══╦═══╗ 8 ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ 8 ╠═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╣ 7 ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ 7 ╠═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╣ 6 ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ 6 ╠═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╣ 5 ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ 5 ╠═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╣ 4 ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ 4 ╠═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╣ 3 ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ 3 ╠═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╣ 2 ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ 2 ╠═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╬═══╣ 1 ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ 1 ╚═══╩═══╩═══╩═══╩═══╩═══╩═══╩═══╝ A B C D E F G H
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OOC: Assuming we go by a 4 player game wouldn't be like 31x31 board according to @Ddraig ? Then again my math may be entirely off, I was never great at math... 5 (Governor, Traitor, Rebel 3) would be 33x33, 6 (Governor, Traitor, Rebel 3, and Astrologer) is 35x35 board.

Ddraig · Jan 16, 2018

Exitiumm said: ↑

OOC: Assuming we go by a 4 player game wouldn't be like 31x31 board according to @Ddraig ? Then again my math may be entirely off, I was never great at math... 5 (Governor, Traitor, Rebel 3) would be 33x33, 6 (Governor, Traitor, Rebel 3, and Astrologer) is 35x35 board.
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Yup I think it is the proper size. Allows for moderate amount of turns, farming phase (collecting buffs/weapons), early skirmishes. If you think it is bigger we can always lower the size by reducing the value of the constant term

Additional trivia : The original random formula that I rote had complexity of n^2 and as such grew really fast which made me change to this formula of complexity n

Also I think we all agreed on a rule to reduce size of the game board by 1 on every side every two turns to force people to fight where the only place unaffected by reduction is the governor's base

Naraku · Jan 16, 2018

OOC: *doesn't understand anything to this talk*
I can just be a tester and nothing else !

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