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Discussion in 'Novel General' started by jaywalker, Oct 16, 2019.

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  1. xtremeloldude

    xtremeloldude the slime guy

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    almost always the reason is one or multiple of these:
    1) slower reproduction (humans will fuck anything and everything)
    2) technical advancement being done by weak humans to overcome their weakness while the other races sat on their laurels
    3) humans are simply focussed on war while the other races are not.
    4) human religions be cray cray (exterminatus)
     
  2. jaywalker

    jaywalker Well-Known Member

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    So what you are saying that if you are born of another race, other than human, you pretty much f**k then?

    You cannot grow any longer, other than the limit of your bloodline.

    Also in their race entire life did they really did not learn anything at all about progress? anything at all? so they stay in a medieval time like setting because they just forget about the rest of the world?
     
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  3. ludagad

    ludagad Addicted to escapist novels

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    How else would the MC get a devoted beautiful elf slave-wife with no effort? Just buy her and treat her better than others have, and she's all ready to ride his dick. If more people were annoyed at the setting and didn't read those novels, you wouldn't see this setting anywhere. The fact that you see it everywhere should tell you enough.
     
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  4. Feng Tian

    Feng Tian Well-Known Member

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    There are people who read MGA and ATG, and just about every Isekai ever.
     
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    So the conclusion is that every other race, other than human, is f**king stupid.

    Got it!!

    They cannot adapt, they cannot think differently, lazy, don't want to learn new things, their bloodline already limit them and author and plot device. That's it.

    *sigh* poor other race....
     
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    You do realize that humans have done the same thing before, namely China and Japan and for modern day examples, Myanmar and North Korea and Cuba.
     
  7. jaywalker

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    Then why didn't the other races come together to fight a common enemy like how human is.

    Like during world war 2 when most of the world unite to fight Germany and Japan.

    Did they really that arrogant that they cannot see that they are being oppressed and just watch at the side.
     
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    Feng Tian Well-Known Member

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    NK is getting dicked by most of the world. Hard to develop higher technology when everyone else hates you and your economy sucks.
     
  9. TiggerBane

    TiggerBane Always asleep yep yep yep| Canidae lover

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    One Germany did not lose to the Russian manpower look at China vs Japan. The ratios are far far higher. No Germany lost to the physical distances in Russia their supply lines were to long and the partisans did to much damage to the Infrastructure to allow for the continued advance.

    On the gun thing it’s also because so many research pathways e.g. dum dum rounds and laser weaponry are not allowed to be deployed in battle so they aren’t researched so there really isn’t a point to get better m4’s when it’s more viable to get better jets and tanks and submarines which is why there is a major lack of surface ship development especially outside of aircraft carriers and destroyers.
    Skaven skitter-scurry! Clearly from this the Skaven are the greatest and strongest race!
     
  10. BigBadBoi

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    Kind of Like Hakai no Miko where the humans are blessed with intelligence while the other races are too inflexible and stubborn to change which results in predictable strategies
     
  11. false

    false Today is always the best day ever~

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    In a lot of isekai novels, other races usually aren't that much stronger than humans. In "Death Mage" for example, most of the gods favor humanity by a much larger margin than other races. This allows humanity to constantly have more population, and more population means that the exeptionally strong individuals crop up a lot more compared to other races; allowing humanity to keep winning all the wars (again, with the help of the gods) and enslaving other races.

    In another novel "Hakai no Miko", other races have min-maxxed stats that aren't so meta in their world. Elves are good with archery, but their arrows can't pierce human's shield. Dwarves are good with making fortification, but they're bad when being attacked at range. Basically, humanty is this "jack-of-all-trades" race that can adapt proper strategy against each enemy's speciality.

    In most novels, humanity is this race with the favor of gods or the only race that could have heroes. This used to be a kind of satire to the even older novels where humans are that race that could defy all odds with their overwhelming heroism (there were a lot of those, and there are still a lot of them to this day). The first novels to depict humanity as this greedy race that enslave everyone probably made it to turn the view points around. For me, this was an interesting idea for a while until all isekai does it.

    That said, it's not like all fantasy work does the same. Take "No Game No Life" where humanity is the weakest race by a long mile.
     
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  12. Wujigege

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    Classic demand promoting the supply
     
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    Because the author wants it so is the obvious answer... But as far as in universe reasons go...

    Our brains are like "empty" books at birth, with noticeably more space in them for new information than adult brains, but as we approach adulthood, the learned information is compressed and some of the excess pages are removed... Essentially, much of our learning ability is sacrificed for improved performance...

    Unless you assume the brains of elves are magic and don't need to follow physics and logic, the long life span of elves would likely be a weakness... Their society would be perpetually, increasingly dominated by those, whose brains are optimized for performance over learning... by the ultra conservative old, who would fight, tooth and nail against any change and progress...

    If humans, manage to get out from the medieval stasis... It is likely, elves could not keep up with humans in technological progress...
     
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    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    this become funny thread
    lets play aling
    again


    human superiority on most noivel actually just part of author not wanna create balanced world building or it is intended to be like that

    breed superiority?
    give goblin better intellect then let see who will win on number

    technology? give dwarf more passion toward industry let see who can make more devastating nuke

    adaptation? give beastman more desire to explore the world and let see who become more adaptive

    strategy, scheme, and art of war.. give demon race better unison while keep them kinda dark and love create war on multiple fronts.. let see who more devious on tricking other
    or just let the elves actually the hidden boss~ oh yes they can, powerful magic, long live, charming, understand nature... fumu sound like advance civilization on disguise for me

    there plenty of way to kick human superiority imo human is just one of the race exist on some world

    if every race have similar intelect and desire then it is enuf to create check and balance thing
     
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    The real question is how there are any humans left after the rampant beastman/elf sex slavery?

    The more attractive the mate, the more they get children (half-elves, half-beastmen, ...), the less actual humans there are in comparison.

    The isekai world should be pretty close to full of fractional humans imo.
     
  16. Robbini

    Robbini Logical? Illogical? Random? Or Just Unique?

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    Because humans are average at a lot of things, they can adapt to a lot of situations. They're not as good as any other race at anything else, but because they're atleast decent in every single thing, they can adapt against any other race through those other means, while the other races can only do so if they work together, and they generally disliked each other too much to do that often.
    Elves ? They mature way slower, have much less interest in advancing technologically, are usually considered as traditionalists, and simply put breed too little, and because they mature much slower, it's even less useful.
    They're also usually very reliant on their forests for survival & guerrilla warfare, meaning that removing their forests would have pretty much the same effect as removing the buffalo from native americans would have.

    The way they're also considered as prideful or xenophobic commonly, increases antagonism towards them and makes taking them as slaves and then breaking / molding them into servitude even more enjoyable.
    The fact that they're beautiful for way longer than humans is another motivation for enslavement.
    The fact that they're not considered as humans, and thus not really as... 'despicable' to their fellow humans, means less of a inner problem with it.
    Religion also tends to stir up feelings between races.

    But to put it as simple as possible, there's only three ways to prevent large scale enslavement of any other race, and that's
    1) That race being very known to exact retribution for it, and they make it clear why they do it instead of just mindless violence
    2) The leaders of the nation / region / cities want to maintain good friendships with those other races, and they crack down hard on anyone even attempting to enslave them, and make sure they don't survive to motivate others to do it
    3) The borders between racial regions are heavily enforced by both sides, and they eliminate everyone who's not there on approved business and kill anyone who tries to enslave someone.

    Basically, only power projection or the knowledge that enslaving someone from that race will get you and everyone you hold dear killed, will totally prevent enslavement of other races. And that'll only solve other races. If they can't get them, they'll probably try to enslave others from their own race for labor purposes, possibly POWs (which is somewhat different)
     
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    lnv ✪ Well-Known Hypocrite

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    Elves can technically live in any environment humans can, but they excel in the forest as they have a strong bond with nature.

    And yey? Though if it works well does that mean I have to stop slacking and write chapter 2? lol


    They still have faster reflexes than humans, so they can catch prey quicker. Their sense of smell also lets them locate prey easier.

    That said, beastkin tend to be omnivores like humans, just the carnivorous ones prefer meat.

    Elves have better vision and can listen to the voice of the forest. They can also eat a lot more greens that humans can not process well.


    Due to elves natural advantages, they can detect predators easier and can locate their food easier. For the human, these things are much more difficult, they will either die or adapt through effort and creativity.


    But how did they get that advantage? They are all human, what set them apart was that due to being in certain conditions have forced them to advance in a certain direction which favored them against their enemies.


    Not really, in the early game, you have a HUGE advantage over the humans so you can wipe the humans out.

    But if you live in conditions where you are not forced to progress, then the humans will overtake you simply because their natural disadvantage forces them to put in more effort into everything.

    Of course there is progress, but progress is based on survival. Certain traits are seen as favorable and certain traits are considered unfavorable. As your society evolves, those traits vary.

    It's all a matter of which direction your progress takes you. The roman empire advanced a ton, but at one point their progress led to their own downfall.

    It's not that the beastkins can't advance above humans, its simply probability is against them because their natural advantages means they need to spend less effort into coming up with ways to survive.
     
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  18. Feng Tian

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    I wouldnt call acess to one of the most fertile regions something you work for. Inventions do not necessarily come with need but possibility. Does the west need more technology? No. Did our technology advance more in the last 20 years than in the 2000 before them? Yes. Many advantages such as location are not something you have to work for.
     
  19. Neigh

    Neigh "Lich-King" "Harem-Fan" "Tragedy-Hater"

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    Well in most Novel the Case is that Human aren´t bestowed with Special power/traits but Human are adeptable. In Novel Elves live in Forste with Nature and Dwarfes in Caves or Mountains, but human can pretty much live where they want. Human have the greatest Number and dont need to much of time to Mature. And other races in Such novels are are Pretty Biased. Like Elves are Archer/Assasins or Mages, and have a Weak Body. While Dwarfes have a Strong Body but not much Magic and don´t have much Agility. So Human are in Most Novels The Ruler cause they have all Roles of Fighters.
     
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    Breeding faster is only useful if you have the resources to support those numbers. If the races start from a point of balance, then humans should hit the limit of their resources first before getting the #'s to take the other races territory.
    the Goblins in Goblin Slayer are winning without a need for that intelligence. But that world has to many threats to properly deal with all of them.
     
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