Discussion Omegas in ABO

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  1. eetsome

    eetsome Well-Known Member

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    Why is it that omegas are portrayed as the weakest? Like aren’t omegas supposed to give birth? And if betas are normal people like us and all of the novels seem to be highlighting the fact that omegas are super weak, how weak would an omega really be? How can they give birth safely? Wouldn’t deaths during childbirth be more common? And like I’m not any kind of a professional idk anything about childbirth but most of the time omages are as thin as planks and weak as sticks.
    And most of all, why is being weak so freaking attractive? Is it a turn on for some reason? Why do you have to highlight it so much? Like for some reason in abo-novels it seems to be a suprise if an omega does something which seems pretty normal to me, like does sports. Why?
     
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    Baldingere Roseau pensant

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    It mirrors how writers describe women, taken to a further extreme.
     
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    Night Phoenix The *Eccentric* Person

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    tf is abo
     
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    Resplendor High Lord of Souls

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    They're also able to keep up with alphas during their once a month week long sex sprees where they literally have to hoard quick meals in the house so they don't starve to death between boink sessions.
    I don't know about you, but I couldn't do an intense week long cardio session once a month. But if I could, I'd probably be buff as hell.
     
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  5. Aachiin0914

    Aachiin0914 ☼Sunnyshies☼

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    Originally, omegaverse came from the heirarchy of wolves. Alpha the head of the pack, while the Omega the useless kind.

    I dunno where they get this division though.

    But the omegaverse "sexist" is now improving.

    In the novel the Omega is immune to all abilities, mc there is too OP.

    Some novels also combined Omega to other genre such as Sentinel and guides.

    But really, omegaverse's main plot lines were the prejudice Omega received from the society.

    Umm...but in fact, beta also get set aside in omegaverse. Nevertheless, be side almost 90 % of the world's population is beta, this kind of discrimination was easily forgot.

    This kind of fixed "weak Omega" and "strong alpha" I usually on see them in Japanese manga/novel. They even have the "sub" and the "Dom" secondary gender now a days.

    In cn, it's usually politics, drama and the getting rid of Omega discrimination.

    Anyway, didn't the omegaverse have BG of having humans evolved because of lack of ability to reproduced. I read it before in a certain manga, forgot the title. But it said that human somehow gave birth less and less and so they evolved. Omega and alpha released pheromones to attract the opposite gender to have sex, something like that.
     
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    Wth is an omega
     
  7. IceLight303

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    I don't think in about being weak is attractive but it has more to do with the pheromones. Alphas are attracted to an omega's pheromones and want to dominate or possess them.

    In history women were considered to be weak and they gave birth. To this day in Asian countries women gave a lot of strange social construct because of how weak women supposedly are. For example not drinking cold liquids, (more so after birth) , and I remember someone telling me that they weren't allowed to do intense sports because it would make them infertile.

    So to me the thought process is
    Women give birth and are more delicate and weaker then men = men who give birth must be weaker then.
    Another detail is that omega's have greater fertility so they would be seen as more delicate no matter female or male.

    In general the gender that gives birth is usually seen as the weaker gender. Look at history, I know some older women who were not allowed to ride bikes or join sports because they were seen as too dangerous and difficult for women.
     
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    Resplendor High Lord of Souls

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    It's a, primarily, BL thing. Short for "Alpha, Beta, and omega". A niche sort of romance or hentai depending on how it's written.
    Basically, there's six genders. Male A,B,O, and female A,B,O.
    Alphas account for 20% of the population and get all the best things. High intelligence, status, physically superior, etc. Etc.
    Betas are 70% of the population. They're normal everyday peeps.
    Omegas are the final 10% and basically are treated like shit. Mostly because all omegas can get pregnant and and are forced do so frequently due to a trick of their biology. Once a month they go into "estrus" which sends out pheromones that drive all the unpaired alphas wild and turn them both into sex slaves. Kinda like cats in heat. If they "lucky" enough to be bitten by one of their rapists on the neck, excuse me, suitors, the omega will be "marked" and their pheromones will only ever affect and be affected by that one alpha for the rest of their life. Even if that Alpha abandons them. Omegas can't work normal jobs due to the intense nature of their estrus and the ability to basically destroy multiple people's lives, including their own, with their BO. And while there is medications to repress the wild sex energy of both Alphas and Omegas exists, mistakes and abuse happens often.
    Omegas are described as weak and daintier, prettier and more effeminate than normal girls in every aspect.

    It can go differently with different authors but that was the original premise. Some are very sweet where the omega is treated kindly in a cruel world by their Alpha and achieve great things despite their perceived gender inferiority. Most are rape fantasies.
    Basically, it's a messed up system for Mpreg.

    Though there is the ocassional FxF ABO where an Alpha and omega girl get it on.
    Alpha girls are basically Futanari. They can grow one down there when necessary.

    There's even a few FxM. Usually with an Alpha female and an Omega male.
     
  9. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    You're trying to rationalize a trope that was created without a specific reason behind it.

    I'm no specialist in Omegaverse, but I'm pretty sure it was originally created primarily as an easy way to make a justifiable abusive BL relationship with Mpreg in it... And I think there was also some stuff about bestiality in it at first. So basically, a collection of fetishes thrown together to make some stuff that easily appealed to a specific audience without needing to worry too much about the implications of said stuff.

    As time passed and the trope became more widespread, things changed quite a bit, but... The fact is, Omegaverse is still fundamentally an amalgamation of fetishes thrown together to make a specific setup that allows for easy abusive relationships.

    I understand that you want to question it, but... Try not to think much about it? A trope is a trope, it's there to be used by the authors that want to use it. And if the author feels like questioning some parts of the trope, they can.
     
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  10. meliori

    meliori [in a dark tunnel seeing light from afar]

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    If you want strong Omega content, fishes have it, particularly omega-3, good for health
     
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    A(alpha) B(beta) O(omega)
    Think of it like the hierarchy in a wolf pack.
    There are male and female alphas, betas and omegas, but the sexuality is way more complicated.

    Alpha and beta males and females all have dicks. Female omegas are the only females who don't have a penis. Male omegas have a birthing canal attached to the anus (like a chicken).

    The main setting for omegas is weak, fragile, delicate physically, mentally and emotionally, and are only good at giving birth and being artistic. Alphas are at the top of the hierarcy, even their farts smell great, betas are the average joes.

    Male betas and alphas also have a birthing canal, but its less developed than omegas and have a far lower change of being impregnated.

    Again, like werewolves, alphas and omegas exude pheromones that attract them to each other and alphas can mark omegas, making them their exclusive property. I say exclusive property, cuz after marking, omegas become super dependent on their alphas.

    Omegas experience estrus and alphas experience rut, collectively known as a heat period. A heat usually lasts for one week either once every month or once every three months, the setting varies from story to story.

    But this is the descripency that the original poster was getting at. If omegas are such embroidered pillows that they faint at the sight of blood, throw up from being shaken and are bruised by a touch, how the f*ck do they survive and entire week of bed exercises under a male (or female) who is twice as strong as them and completely uncontrolled due to pheromone induced lust?

    As a side note, Betas don't perceive pheromones.
     
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    That's weirdly informative and specific of you.

    I guess you learn something new everyday.
     
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    A human (male or female) who is capable of giving birth who cannot stand extreme heat or cold. They are particularly delicate, physically, mentally and emotionally.

    They exude pheromones and can perceive the pheromones of another type of human known as an alpha, and if bitten on their sex gland during intercourse with an alpha (male or female) they will adapt the alpha's scent and become the alpha's exclusive property.

    After being marked, omegas need to be f*cked by their alpha during their week long heat every month or every three months (depending on the story's setting) or they will go crazy from lust and die.
     
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  14. IceLight303

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    Omegaverse was the first attempt at making mpreg a biological thing. At first it was a miraculous thing but people had issue with that, saying it is physically impossible. So what if there was a third gender that was specifically made to give birth. Then someone used wolf terms and projected female struggles onto the omegas. Yes there have been beastkin mixed with about but that fairly rare. Abo generally doesn't have to do with beastkin. Then people created gers to remove the pheromone element. However Gers are usually still looked down on and treated poorly, as the last ring in the social hierarchy.

    Point being while beastkin has been mixed with about in some novels they are different genres that sometimes overlap. Just like the novels with abo and gods/deities.

    Final point BL doesn't really need an easy way to have abusive relationships. Most of them start out as abusive. I would go so far as to say that most relationships in novels either start out abusive or become abusive.
     
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    U want me to Enlighten u?

    Idk why but the crazy from lust and die is the funniest shit ever

    makes a good quick wank some of the omegaverse series
     
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    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    I said an easy way to justify an abusive relationship, because it can be justified by the pheromones of the alpha, and the heats of the omega and whatnot.

    While there is a fair number of abusive relationships in BL works, those usually are just... Well, abusive. ABO gives you some simple excuse to why it is abusive and why this is "not" a problem (of course any sort of abusive relationship is still problematic regardless though).
     
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    Yep, in China it's advised to drink less cold drinks , especially during your period, bc the temperature contrast between your body and the drink will likely give you a stomachache but it's not something only reserved to women, the elderly will tell you that drinking warm is beneficial for you and for a "healthy" body so a majority of chinese people drink warm water . But after birth the woman is considered a highly endangered person; for the body to "recover" from childbirth the mother is put on a one month Confinement where she will be eating and drinking nutritional meal and of course the most important soup (chicken soup, pork soup, seafood soup you call it). The head is covered to guard against cold to prevent headaches and sometimes the mother won't bath for the month. The discrimination that omega face in novel are also a mirror to today's society, workplace a less likely to hire woman bc women are expected to be married in their twenties so
    -if they're unmarried the company have to consider the fact that she will probably marry in the near future and have a baby
    -if they're married =will have a baby soon after entering the company and leave for maternity
    - if they have already one baby=they will probably have the second baby soon
    And bc recently China got the law permitting the third child (you probably know that China had a one child policy where if you have more than one birth they will Fine you a lot of money) they also have to think if the woman will leave to have the third child. Paid maternity leave is a right protected by law but a lot of small companies are unwilling to pay for a maternity leave and bc they can be sued if they fire a pregnant woman they just just hire less woman. And mother usually take more leave (bc the baby has situations) and do less overtime (bc the baby has to be taken care of). In novel the same, the omega has heat and has to take off a week every month (depending on the novel) then take maternity after pregnancy and then take care of the baby, it's just more cost affective to hire alpha/beta
     
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    Baldingere Roseau pensant

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    Some guy posted a theory about wolf society which divided them into these roles, and later wrote a new paper saying the theory was bogus.
     
  19. IceLight303

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    Exactly, I know someone who married a guy from mainland China and moved there. She ended up divorcing him and moving back home. She said it was hard to get promoted in jobs and her supervisors was kinda dismissive. Then her in-laws wanted her to be less active because it was bad for pregnancy? (She is into weight lifting and running) Then her husband didn't really take her side and told her to listen to his parents since they were doing it out of a place of love and they were old. There was a bunch of other stuff too and this was a few years ago. You explained it better.

    I see your point. I really just think all abusive relationships are bad, so I never took the pheromone excuse seriously. I've always viewed abo less about abusive relationships and more about mpreg and dominate/overbearing ML.



    YES! I tell everyone this and they ignore me. Rudolf Schenkel wrote his paper then corrected himself later but was ignored. The alphas are just the parents. They other wolves listen to them because they are the children, and those are their parents.
     
  20. Lissi

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    I think this depends on the novel too...