Recommendations Please recomend Novels where the method the people use to get stronger is independent of talent.

I've seen 3~5 novels in the last week(reached chapter 20 in all of them). Some have cultivation as a way to get stronger or a level up system or neither and the MC just gets stronger by making weapons.
But what all of them have in common is the that all of it depends in talent(some of them are japanese too). Like the kind of talent of you being unable to climb higher in the power scale and don't matter how hard they try it's useless(most of them make it mery explicit and they/their companions mock other people for doing something they are not fit for).

So i'd like to ask for any novels where the MC has little talent but makes up by dedicating his all(and also is not an asshole, but not a saint either). Or where talent does little effect or doesn't matter at all.

 

So you are looking for novels where MC finds an OP item and become powerful despite being completely useless and the only good thing about him is his character?

 

To be a Power in Shadows

 

The new World(rrl novel if you dont mind), Dragoon(MC gets through because of his obsession), zombieknight(talent is luck of draw and trainned from there)

 

The Sage Who Transcended Samsara
Martial Arts Master
Nightfall

 

There are usually 5 categories:
1. MC is talented AF:
- Mostly found in the transmigration genre where their knowledge about modern technology/stories gives them an advantage

2. MC gets an OP item/cheat
- Optionally includes a system or a grandpa

3. MC walks an formerly untraveled road
- Usually found in VRMMORPG novels using "trash" builds

4. MC just spends more time on improving
- Usually the MC just repeats the basics over and over for some reason and becomes really good in the process.

5. MC manages to somehow improve their talent
- Very rare, can't remember seeing one of these without it being sorted in category 1-4.

 

Korean novel possessing nothing. MC has inferiority complex because he has no talent.

 

actually this kind of thing kind of removes the part of "give his all" bc the MC would only get stronger because of this item. i mean something like Lord of Mysteries where they become stronger by digesting potions and the digestion is the same for everyone and unless you make efforts in the digestion it won't be nor quicker nor slower

 

Ze Tian Ji
I am a bastard (CN, only 1 chap translated , the mc grows troughout the plot)

 

isn't this one where the MC is a chunibyou and don't takes anything seriously? i see the manga but i'm not really interested enough to read the novel

 

you got any category 4 for me?

gonna check those

rrl?

 

Reverend Insanity

 

Renegade Immortal is kinda fitting

 

Monster Paradise (has an OP system)
The mech touch (same as above) though he doesn’t really get stronger, just richer and more prominent

 

i haven't read that since i reached chapter 1200 about 2 months ago i think

 

Chinese novels can be very hypocritical in this way.
There claim that a society ruled by talent is unfair but the protagonist isn't any different.

Reverend Insanity
Sword Dynasty are my recommendations

 

rrl stands for www.royalroad.com.

As for category 4:
- Mother of Learning might interest you
Haven't read them myself but:
-https://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-failed-swordsman-who-became-the-strongest-after-spamming-the-100-million-years-button/
-https://www.novelupdates.com/series/same-day-on-loop-its-been-thousands-of-years/
-Practicing Basic Sorcery for Billions of Times Made Me Invincible

 

i read failed swordsman a, caught up to it a while ago, but the MC is too much of a saint. And the plot is really boring.
Like, he supposebly lived for more than 1.000.000.000 years and yet he acts and thinks like a 16 year old. not only that but after some point in the novel the MC needed to get stronger and in mere 3 months he doubled in strenght and the author put it as talent. If he would just make MC a genious with massive talent he could just have done it from the beggining so i wouldn't have wasted my time. if i offend anyone by saying that, i'm not saying it's a bad novel, but it has just that i didn't like it. at all

i don't know what Asianhobbyist is but. i agree. I mean "talent" is just a consept created to make people who are good at something get better bc it boosts their confidence and people who are bad give up because they feel isecure that what they are doing is just a waste of their times. if someone works hard they can do things.

 

It's not that he doesn't take anything seriously, it's that he only takes only ONE thing seriously. And he'll spare no effort to do it.

 

he litteraly has no atachement to the people around him. he thinks everyone is acting like he is. even if he sees a lot of people dying in front of him he won't feel anything and would instead think how to make the appearance of shadow the most baddas as possible. Actually i think my problem with this To be a Power in Shadows is that it was meant to be funny and i preffer serious manga/novels with comedy mixed in with the plot. but when something like in To be a Power in Shadows is that the MC would see a lot of people dying and not save them, just bc it's not the right time to complete his scene as in his head everything is just a part of a show with he(or in this case his persona) as the enigmatic, crazy powerfull character. like he would wait util the lastest monent posible. just when the villain killed just enought people to make everyone despair and when there is just enought people to watch him to save everyone even if he could just swing his sword and save everyone he he would choose to let people die just to make a scene.
this just breaks so many of my moral stances.

Chunibyou is a mental disease btw