Discussion Qidian Already Making Bad Changes on The Site (Mod edit: Qidian adds 3 second timer)

WXW has ads too and some of the are toxic too depending on where you live. Whats bad about QI trying to do something like a ad system too. dunno what weed you smoking so you ignoring RWX also uses ads and they been having problems with bad ones sneaking in but give me some since its getting you so high.

 

1. oh nice, i want to see what happens!
2. Ya, that I have to admit, he's a great asset so QI definitely spent tons of money to make sure they win him from you guys.
2.2 million to billion rmb. Here's an example: https://baike.baidu.com/item/起点白金作家 网文月收入过千万。 It's not hard for 大神level authors to become millionaire, not to mention the platinum level authors.
2.2 plus ya, ownership is everything. I think that goes more for the original content ownership, don't you think? Rather than the translation ownership, which can be replaced.
3. If you made yourself into a millionaire with WXW, then, does these compensation packages really matter lol? Sure, throw out the acronyms, dazzle the community. After all, are you saying, after running WXW for this many years, you are still making less than if you would to stay as a diplomat?
2- I think you are forgetting something. Original content copyright. Right now I think the most popular books on WXW r still Qidian's. And also, hopefully, all your translators' novels can hopefully receive more than 70,000 views per chapter, and find a book to translate that's not from Tencent Literature.

Im gonna reply a bit slow from now, this is too time consuming lol.

 

1. Believe it or not, we look forward to having our day in court.
2. We have a point of agreement here! Cktalon remains a friend and a great translator, and I'm sure we'll eventually work together in the future. Hell, I'm even sure that we'll work together with Qidian in the (much more distant) future. Even Apple and Microsoft work together, despite their long and sordid history.
2.2 I'm not even convinced about RMB billionaires. TJSS is the top and supposedly had over 10 million RMB in 2012. OK. Doesn't get us anywhere near 1 billion RMB.
2.2 plus - You make the same mistake that many non-translators (including Qidian) do not understand; the translator is every bit as irreplaceable as the original author, and this is double true for a good one. How many other translators besides Ken Liu do you think would've resulted in the English translation of the Three-Body Problem winning a Hugo Award and international acclaim? Go ask Mo Yan how 'replaceable' his translator Howard Goldblatt was in getting his work to the point where they won him a Nobel Prize. A good translator is NOT replaceable, which is why the ownership of good translations matters every bit as much for translators. I absolutely will not budge on this at all in negotiations with anyone.
3. I'm not a millionaire, but quite frankly, I was already on a path to becoming a millionaire without WXW. WXW has 'only' been around for about 2.5 years (god, it feels longer), and yes - my personal package as a diplomat is still better. Do the math yourself, this is all open source. Go search for what an mid-level FS-03 (that was my rank) makes, factor in the 20% hardship differential, add in the $20k/year I would get for language in places like China, add in the 17% I got from overseas comparability pay, add in the $40k-$50k COLA (and/or free equivalent housing), then factor in the all the benefits like health insurance (which I currently pay for out of pocket). Hands down, the diplomatic package was better than what I'm getting now.

2- The top three novels at Wuxiaworld in terms of monthly views have for a long time been Against the Gods (Zongheng), Martial God Asura (17k), and Desolate Era (Qidian). I don't think we're too worried at all.

 

PS - Before I answer any more questions from you, tell me what you meant by saying to me 'ur not a faggit'. Or are you afraid to man up and own your mistakes and just say that you were wrong to make homophobic insults like that?

 

Sigh, although i've never eaten a Bugs Bunny, i'm suddenly in the mood to roast one!

 

OH NO........ you had a brain dead

 

Why do u even care about him RWX? He's QI's b*tch so better ignore him

 

It isn't a bad change but it's checkpoint before paywall. To be honest every single step QI makes is like blind man trying to find his way in unknow for him area. Their claims about spending additional 10 millions on QI is not only a dream but something with will backfire if it will take place. Don't forget QI is losing money every single day - even as I write here. Not any ad services will be able to get QI in profit if they would truly invest 10 millions within next years - even translators salary is a huge cost for them now and there is many many more cost going on.

To know QI stance regarding it you just need to read all their post and look how they act - they themselves said "revenue-sharing model is good, but at least we should have revenue first haha. If we go revenue-sharing model, only two ways, paywall or ads right? many of you guys may hate paywalls but ad is bad for reading experience either. That's why we have claimed many times, we are going to explore better business models XD." (source: http://forum.novelupdates.com/threa...ernationals-quality.31994/page-3#post-1361108 ).

I doubt QI would be able to get into profit by ads alone especially taking in count how community looks at them - they can boost their presence online in other ways but it cost money as well.

Like I said introducting such ads isn't a problem in itself but looking at QI costs regarding publishing + main branch (Qidian) expectation regarding profits in my opinion it's just small checkpoint - nothing else.

On top of that there is more important matter regarding what they are doing regarding quality of translation. IF they will introduce paywall they will be shut down within UK in matter of days after only few complains. Why? It's simple - MTL level of translation + edition isn't a full quality product and count as a faulty goods/counterfeit. Even if QI will try to defend themselves and say it's "official translation" it still doesn't mean UK citizens can pay them to read half products. Our government is well know for stomping hard on such things - the same is with US government. Only few people need to report such things after paying for goods for them to be shut down - especially after their official claims regarding how quality is the most important factor for them - deceiving customers. You don't need to believe me - https://www.gov.uk/consumer-protection-rights That's why I keep telling how what QI doing with quality is the most stupid approach they can take. Governments have own specialist with will be able to tell do translation level is high enough to not breach law and to be named as a full product.

Just my two cents.

 

I think there is a lot of leeway in translations for stuff like web novels and animes. I mean there have been a lot of cases where subs for anime ends up being wrong and people have really yet to make a large fuss over it. I do agree with your point there will be a paywall though reason I pointed out in my earlier posts that paywall will probably come I just hoping and dreaming QI makes enough with ads there will be no paywall (in a perfect world this would work but we live in the shitty reality of things sucking).

Also I think QI could just put a disclaimer that translations are not final products yet and subject to change ( edits to improve quality) when you sign their EULA when subbing for a paywall so it would easily get around consumer protection rights if they warn you str8 when you first pay to read that there might be wrong translations.

Law is very easy to get around with the right wording of contracts that people usually blindly sign when they buy things. I mean that one time where there was that weird clause where you sell a company your soul when you buy a something online ages ago. Not saying that would be legit or work but they did put it in and people did sign it without reading. By sign I mean they made a account or when they purchase its the same as signing a agreement.

most forums when you make a account you blindly sign a TOS or EULA (rules) that most people never read that pretty much gives mods the right to str8 out ban for almost any reason.

 

The UK/US government can "shut down" a Chinese company?
The most they could do is order ISPs to block the site, but I've never heard of that happening to a business and doubt it would.

 

That's why I said - if someone will report it they would have problems. Disclaimer wouldn't work unless they would make it visible on front page + add ETA on final product. Any services provided for customers from certain countries (in this case EU/UK/US ones) need to follow standard law without exception and every single ToS etc isn't above law and need to follow it. Regarding matter do QI will get enough profits to not introduce paywall I highly doubt it - their costs are massive and they are still to get any profits as we speak. Income would need to be high enough to not only cover day to day expenses but to cover all of those already being a burden for QI + expansion costs as well. Not any adverts will cover such costs especially if they are hated in community (a lot lower traffic) + costs will just keep growing. Adverts will work fine if their expansions wouldn't be so mindless - QI director by himself is creating situation where QI will have only one way to chose sooner or late and even this way will be highly problematic because of decision they are making now.

Read my quote one more time and you will get the meaning of my words - especialy within first sentence (keyword - within UK). If you don't know anything regarding such matter and doubt it - you can verify how many companies have been blocked by FTC (USA) and how many of them are blocked via communication to ECC (EU). Anyway people have been talking how QI is untouchable because xyvz - it's proven lie, they are being blocked once already. You don't need to believe my words and I wouldn't repeat myself. Time will verify any single claim I made.

 

Since you're working on a app and probably will have ads you should check out the Wattpad app. They do some nice stuff with their app. I got a few problems with it but overall its good.

 

Yes you do, perhaps I should have mentioned the way of doing instead but I was not referring to you in particular there, and as much as ads can get bad for your website I can't forget that you've been trying to work on it.

Have you ever considered getting as intrusive as forcing people to view these, however, I doubt it (not to say that Qidian does, as this seems to be unrelated to ads, but I was after all answering some who are under this assumption).

More than that I believe you could be, eventually, able to get rid of them. As for whether you would or not, I don't know, but if that was the system in place, then people would at least have the possibility if not the hope of getting rid of ads, and even if not, they wouldn't be as intrusive and toxic as some instances like adfly (which is what Qidian was implied to do).

One more things is that I've never seen any attempt to enforce these ads. You don't block adblock users and the like, you don't have counters, and you try to make them less intrusive. I can't criticise you for having ads, I could only criticise you for overdoing it if you did.

 

Hey man, it sounds like 'you are not a faggot'.

 

I dunno, there hasn't been a definitive reply on that point yet. But now that the door's been opened, we should all proceed to shamelessly delve into RWX's personal life. What IS his deal anyway? Is he into girls, guys, animals, stuffed animals, or all of the above? Anyone have any "RWX tried to hit on me, and IT WAS SO AWKWARD!" stories?

 

Maybe you should turn off your adblock before reading. I am sure most translators would appreciate it.

 

They'd also appreciate you to donate to them but do they force you to? That's the important thing.

 

I'm hardly on there so it's not the biggest bother for me.

 

You're free to do that, but why exactly are you acting high and mighty and even claiming that the current system is free? It's only "free" because the rest of us are viewing the ads. It's only "free" because there are people donating.

 

Yes? What's wrong with that? It's a system where people compensate for others. You also pay taxes and other people get government aids. Perhaps you could say it's a precarious system but if it works, why would you change it to a more "equal" one?

And maybe I don't donate or watch ads on wuxiaworld (let's keep this assumption since you want to make me look bad based on personal circumstances), but who's to say I don't contribute to something else instead? This system is much more equal and adjustable than any other, and it makes the world go round in a literal sense, instead of branching it apart.

Also, did you know free had another meaning apart from "not paying"? As in libre.