Movie Star Wars II plot hole

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  1. iormunger15

    iormunger15 Well-Known Member

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    Agree. They were so much more enjoyable. Though I didn't like it as much after he got his own padawan.
     
  2. Kemm

    Kemm Custom title

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    In real world there are many women who like bad boys and also a lot who wants to "change" or "straighten" their partners. Padme would fall into both.

    Also, option number 3 would be "she fell in love at first sight when he was a cute child, and everything after is just love blindness".
     
  3. Darkwood

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    So beauty and the bodyguard was based on star wars?
     
  4. ArgosYesu

    ArgosYesu Lord of Some Lands, Editor of Others

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    The whole issue with Anakin was the fact he didn't age into a Jedi. His control over his emotions was a big issue throughout his entire background.

    As for why Padme liked him, I don't know. Pedophile turned Stockholm Syndrome?
     
  5. Teadragon

    Teadragon Book Wyrm

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    The problem was George Lucas. While he created Star Wars, and wrote a lot of it, before this movie he never wrote the romance scenes!!! In the first series he was smart enough to leave those to the professionals. In this movie, he decided that he had to write them, and no one else could change them. Even the actors had major headaches trying to make those scenes a tad less cringeworthy than the way they were written....
     
  6. podlizurko

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    Not a plot hole, but there is something the movie omitted.
    1st as padawan its Obi's job to teach him right from wrong(he pretty much let him go with the flow) , so he failed as a teacher if Ani is seduced.
    2nd by that time he already knew he was the chosen one , so he was pushing himself to live up to the prophecy.
     
  7. prongsjiisan

    prongsjiisan Apostle of Violence

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    Better than episode VIII. Only if they focus more on Rey. Oh BTW it was Jedi fault who makes anakin like that. That's why luke wanted to end jedi order..

    Well I did like rey who nobody. To somebody..

    And force is neutral, neither bad or good..
     
  8. AurumGold

    AurumGold [An Element]

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    The last 3 new star wars movie (including rogue one) was disappointingly bad.

    What is up with hollywood and SJWs
     
  9. waleuska

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    Have you seen the old ones? They were worst.
     
  10. Geor

    Geor Well-Known Member

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    the whole "second trilogy" was a plot hole which seemed to only come out to make cash and not to adjust the story
     
  11. userunfriendly

    userunfriendly A Wild Userunfriendly Appears!

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    Darth Darth Binks...and Darth Gizka, the new Sithlords...:p
     
  12. batotit

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    Lol what the hell do you expect to happen?
    The story is about a boy becoming the ultimate bad guy.
    I remember when Episode one came out and people are bitching that the boy is too goody-goody. That there are no glimpses of him becoming vader.
    "Why is he not torturing bugs or something!"
    And Padme falling for the troubled, angsty, bad boy Anakin is the only thing realistic in episode 2.
     
  13. Jojo775

    Jojo775 Honorary Algae Knight

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    Sry I was like 11 when the clone wars came out, so didn't analyse shit back then. Ok so we have to see him turn, but what about the po-po-poker face. The dark side is supposed to be unpredictable and decietful, not obvious as him.
    So you recommend it? Now that I've seen the Jar Jar conspiracy theory, you know, I've always thought his eyes looked suspicious, like Sith eyes, do all Gungnars have eyes like that hmm?

    Why didn't you say that to me like 10 years ago?
     
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  14. Robbini

    Robbini Logical? Illogical? Random? Or Just Unique?

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    Lots of jedies might at some time have had dark thoughts. What matters is if they put them into action and how they put them into action, as well as if that's the only times that happened.

    Considering that, in several thousand years of existence, they supposedly only had less than 20 (skilled / famous) fallen jedi.
    The main difference between fallen / dark jedi and sith is that the dark jedi focuses on personal gains and all that, whereas sith crave the destruction of the jedi order, conquests and all that.
    And well... there's a margin between doing evil deeds and becoming full time evil. Anakin's slaughter of the sandpeople could be described as a crime of emotion, which is something that supposedly leads to the dark side via several steps, but the thing is, Jedis are supposed to 'remove family bonds' after becoming jedis to avoid that.

    Basically, every single infraction of the jedi code that Anakin committed was related to emotions, which means he was totally crappy at controlling them, and he didn't give a damn when someone tried to teach him to control them. Which is why he didn't become a Master or seat on the council. Palpatine played with his emotions like a fiddle, twisting him to his whims.

    But his talent was impressive and his midichlorian count was high and his growth good, so he's basically like a lot of cultivation antagonists who climbed to where they are with their own talents, they don't give a damn about rules if they don't benefit from following them, and they get stopped by fossilized old elders who they think are past their time and should just give their places to him and would when given a chance betray them all to get their power, which is sort of what he did.
    Qui Gon literally decided to train him and went and died less than a few months at most later, leaving his much less experienced pupil Obi-Wan to take care of him.Had Qui gon survived, he might've changed Anakin's training to be more suitable, but Obi Wan wasn't that far off in age and not that advanced in wisdom, so it's understandable plans changed.
     
  15. Jojo775

    Jojo775 Honorary Algae Knight

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    No it does not work like that, at least it shouldn't. Say that a priest wants to teach some kid how to become a priest, but a bishop orders him not to, and the priest says whatever I'll still teach him. What follows would be a punishment for the priest and the kid still wouldn't have been taught but thrown in foster care or something.
     
  16. Suijin

    Suijin Blood God [Medic]

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    thats why we ignore the prequels and worship Star Wars the clone wars animated series. Which made prequels And the original trilogy its bitch
     
  17. Robbini

    Robbini Logical? Illogical? Random? Or Just Unique?

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    Qui Gon was a Jedi Master at the least, and might have been on the Council. Obi Wan was his padawan, but she should've become a Jedi Knight anytime from before 1st to before 2nd movie. Jedi Knights are eligible to have their own padawans, and I do believe both Obi Wan becoming a Jedi Master and Anakin becoming a Jedi Knight happened before 2nd to during 3rd movies.

    So with your example, it's more of this : One of the bishops decides to take and train a second apprentice, who he deems qualified, now that his first one is all grown up and reliable on his own. The other bishops might disagree a little, but they don't forbid it, other than remarking that he'll be harder to train considering his much older age than must jedi candidates, and they suggest he shouldn't train him, but he decides to do it anyway. Then this bishop dies, and his successor who'll assume that role within a few years at most decides to take / is given the responsibility to fulfill his master's wishes and train the 2nd pupil.

    The only real problem was that he was too old to fully accept the entire training guidelines and had formed too serious emotional bonds due to his advanced age, including his mother and Padme (they didn't really have bonds in that short time before he was accepted, but they formed them rather quickly.
     
  18. prongsjiisan

    prongsjiisan Apostle of Violence

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    Anakin cannot control his emotions. And how Jedi council deal with this powerful yet unstable padawan is wrong. Why didn't they employ some counselor services to these case. At that time Jedi is already rotten to the core. You know like some Hero syndrome. They became Arrogant. I like how Luke point out this weakness in last jedi. Wich why did they make him say he was not the last jedi? in his fight against Kylo. Damn!!

    Learn from what happen to Anakin and Kylo he know best that jedi order should end.

    It was the arrogance of Jedi that create Darth Vader and Kylo.
     
  19. Jojo775

    Jojo775 Honorary Algae Knight

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    Pls don't put together those 2 old milked cows with the original and fresh Rogue One, I rather like it, in fact it may even be better than the 4,5 and 6 if only coz of how movie making got better over the years(effects and acting).