Spoiler The Abandoned Empress

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  1. ATrueStory

    ATrueStory Villainesses, Historical Shit, Noble Circuses

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    Sure. Great at drawing emotions to the point that fans are harrashing him or her becuase they don't get the ending they wanted. Coz they want their own ship to sail. I'm not gonna trade that skill just to be harrashed over fan pairing.
     
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    chamchaworld Lazy Chibi

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    Since I didn't read the novel, I am actually kinda curious, how the author handle Tia's trauma about the prince? Since I read at webtoon Tia kinda closed off after the meeting with the prince. You didn't get over the trauma that easily, since I know that feeling. Well, maybe I didn't get killed in my past life, but I am still getting sick everytime I meet with someone that really hurt me in the past.
     
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    I'm interested. I like an MC with a tragic past full of suffering. It makes overcoming the obstacles later much more fulfilling.
    It'll be interesting to see how the prince redeems himself in the second lifetime, although judging from most of the previous posts he still comes off as a selfish prick in some ways. And despite having the ending spoiled, I believe the journey is what's most important. Aka, the execution. So yeah, I'll be putting this novel on my reading list ^^
     
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    So just because I'm better than you. Instead of trying your best to surpass me you prefer to statuquo and just hate me and end up killing me.
    If this is how you're thinking we should just congratulate all those murderers outside maybe they live a bad life just like him
     
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    RL is which comic?
     
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    Thank you for the spoiler I was at episod 21 when our translator wrote that he was dropping the comic because of the bad ending. And I just started looking for it . thanks I won't have to finish my data and lose my time for a shitting end.
     
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    Please can someone tell me about reborn house of revenge?
    I want the novel title please
     
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    Chilli_Chiia Trying to survive my courses

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    What do you mean?
     
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    Chilli_Chiia Trying to survive my courses

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  10. ATrueStory

    ATrueStory Villainesses, Historical Shit, Noble Circuses

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    I think he means that morals should triumph over one character's past, background and their circumstances. Seems like s/he was reading Miss Mysterys translate which is technically dropped and is already way behind the current translation I'm reading. But if it means less people who are gonna go at a plot and charcater which are yet developed, I'd say its better.
     
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    Chilli_Chiia Trying to survive my courses

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    Oh ok. But the opposite of what they’re saying can happen too.
     
  12. ATrueStory

    ATrueStory Villainesses, Historical Shit, Noble Circuses

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    Well, you know, reason can only get far. If they really hate a character, its hard to reason becuase they are basing it on their feelings. Which has its own merits. That's why I dont really entertain the 'I hate this character' posts coz it's hard. And even with reason, they have a right to their opinion.
     
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    Chilli_Chiia Trying to survive my courses

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    True
     
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    I'm sure it's not cuase of there paring not coming true. Its probably because reader's are tired of having the MC end up with the dude who killed there family. No omes hating on the author but it does seem like they baited people. Reminds me of season 8 of got. A lot of the plots came out of nowhere, and the writers justified it by "subverting expectations". The author made the ML a straight up villian and then turned him into a love interest, whom the MC didnt event intrst with with the majority of the time( at least what im reading up till)
    I'm sure if there had been hints or if the author hadn't made the ML Into a villain In the begging it have been easier to digest.

    It seems to me it seems like putting the MC together with the ML was a last second decision or pressure from the editors. I'd love to be proven wrong by reading it myself
     
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    LockedPuppet From the void, the circus horns~

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    Eh from where I am in the webnovel having the Prince and MC eventually end up isn't a complete stretch if they pull off him being a better person than his counterpart and have the MC overcome her PTSD. As much as I found both versions of the prince to be despicable at first, it's really not fair comparing the Prince of both timelines since he: A) hadn't actually done anything yet and B) was set into a different path after everything that happened

    Even before they start to be romantically pushed, when MC goes into a PTSD-induced coma he keeps his distance after seeing how he terrified her and implicitly started giving up the engagement (since he asked her Father to train her to become a knight). He seems more frustrated that he doesn't know why she's terrified of him than any actual malice towards her at this point. When you compare that with his future self he really isn't all that recognizable.
    So, in this case, a possible romance doesn't seem too out of wack. I think the problem is that the author made all the other options seem TOO appealing. You've got Allen who's been nothing but a total sweetheart towards her, was the first posterboy, and pulled her out of her initial depression, and Carsein who's been a good supportive pillar, has absolutely adorable interactions with her, and seems the most genuine out of the three. When you see his competition and know how he could've turned out in the original timeline it really sets the scales against him in the eyes of fans no matter how well-written he is.

    I also LOVE how they show how the MC gravitates to the different members of her harem. She started off broken and yearning for love, so she was pulled in by a person who'd love her unconditionally and shower her with affection (Allen). After being lied to by Allen she wanted people to be more honest with her, so she started gravitating towards the blunt yet wears-his-opinion-on-his-sleave Carsein. I love how natural it feels compared to other harems where they'd suddenly get starstruck every other interaction. It's a weird case where I don't care who wins her heart: I love all of them!
     
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    I'm pretty sure the readers don't like him because he came off as a asshole for no reason (shoving aside Tia, fawning over Jieun, being excessively cruel to her, etc) and then finding out that they still get together in the end. However, saying that it would had been easier if the author hadn't made him into a villain in the beginning is like saying that it's impossible to like Elise because she was evil, spoiled brat in the beginning. The character that Ruvel was at the beginning isn't there, but Tia is too traumatized by the past to seperate the two.

    I also don't know how far along you are, but in the new timeline, he's been much more considerate and caring than the first time along with some hints why he's so cold to her. In fact, Tia notes herself that while he was distant in the past, he didn't become outright hateful and spiteful to her until Jieun appeared; it seems the death of her mother may be the case, as it seems he was involved since he wonders if she's afraid of him because of 'that day'. He also now admits in the second timeline that he is the one who pushes her away when she was the one who reached out to him along with her mother initially, and there's signs he cares - during their dance at his coming of age ceremony, he catches her when she trips so their dance ends perfectly; when she visits his father with a fever, he escorts her home himself, and when he drives her into a coma, he's the one who carries her in his arms. I feel the dance is noticeable because we see how it turned out during the first timeline - when she tripped, he didn't catch her and let her fall, which lead to her being gossiped about being young. That lead to her vowing to become perfect and sealing off her emotions, letting her to appear cold and unfeeling to everyone else.

    It's funny that by desperately trying to avoid his attention, she's actually capturing more of it and making him aware that his own attitude towards her is unfair. He also seems completely horrified and shocked by his future self's behavior from what he read in Allen's letter, as he wonders if Tia really thinks he would do something so despicable and low.
     
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    Pretty much. But, I really doubt that people who read this story earlier had invested further time to read character development. They already pegged him as the villain and judged that the ending is unpalatable to their taste. What I cannot wrap my mind around is the harassment.

    Hate the story all you want, for as many reasons as you like. But harassing the author? From what I have seen, it's an okay practice when you don't like the story.
     
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    LockedPuppet From the void, the circus horns~

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    Yeah that's my problem with a lot of the initial reaction in this thread; characters change and develop as a story progresses. As much of a poor impression he left at first the Prince is still a child at this point, even at his coldest he doesn't display anywhere near the level of sociopathy his other self had. A lesser author imo would've kept him a coldhearted sociopath in both timelines that Violette's love interests need to defend her from. Having him frustrated at why a person who doesn't even know him is (as far as he knew) terrified at his very presence and realizing, to his horror, what he could become in the future makes and how much he's hurting her without even trying makes for some very interesting character development. Probably the high point of things so far was in the recent webcomic chapter where he yells his frustrations at being feared for something he didn't know about; his fascination with the MC being scared of him was curiosity at first but now you get the feeling that he genuinely wants her to be happier in his presence, however impossible that may seem at the moment. Honestly, this is by far one of the best harem stories I've ever read- most other authors would have his jealousy be what makes him warmer towards the MC, but instead the distance she places between them causes him to reflect on what he's doing wrong.
     
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    kinda sad plot at first but the story is really interesting and the drawing woahh 100% good!!!
     
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    try to read also the
    Doctor Elise
    The Monster Duchess and Contract Princess
     
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