the rise of romance gaming in japan

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  1. Sh1r0r3n

    Sh1r0r3n New Year and still a workaholic

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    Some of my single guy friends, claim they'd rather not be in a relationship until they can support one. I can understand their perspective, but a few of them would also rather have one night stands.
     
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    OverlyFriendly I should do something about

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    I saw 4 ads for otome games while reading this
     
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    Well Japan is special case, I think it's because they work too much...
    So the guys started wondering: "Why having a family since I'm not even going to see them awake, since I work from 8 AM to 10 PM?" Lowering the number of relationships and birthrate....
    Well this article state that women are starting to have virtual relationship more and more, but guys did it for years already, it will just be a bit more balanced between them.
     
  4. Sh1r0r3n

    Sh1r0r3n New Year and still a workaholic

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    I find Japanese relationship culture a bit interesting. The fact that there are "Love Hotels," makes one assume a romantic relationship is a secondary issue in their lives, if not on the lower tiers of their list.

    Having a Virtual partner, does alleviate emotional attachment to other people and it can be viewed like a drug. It reminds me of the movie "Her" voiced by Scarlett Johansen, starring Joaquin Pheonix.
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    Yeah, and on the other side, some guys pay women to just sleep 30 mins or less on their laps, without any sexual meaning, just to not be alone and feel someone beside them.
    It seems like they do everything to flee from a romantic relationship, but they are longing for it at the same time. very strange.

    I never saw this movie, thank you :)
     
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    doomeye1337 /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Incubator, the messenger of magic~

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    this video from game theorists has a great explanation on this subject that I thought you'd all enjoy :
     
  7. Ai chan

    Ai chan Queen of Yuri, Devourer of Traps, Thrusted Witch

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    It actually makes sense. Unlike what we're fed with from mangas and hentais, the average Japanese are actually very shy and have no idea how to romance the opposite sex. Unlike Japanese porns, real Japanese people are actually very reserved. Unlike otaku culture, sexuality in general, and idol fascination specifically are frowned upon by the Japanese people on the street. If you were to ask a random passersby (working age) at a subway what he thinks about these, 10 out of 10 would say society has degraded and at least half of them would call idols as either sluts or manipulated by the entertainment industry. They may not necessarily believe in what they say, but that's the common Japanese mentality. To speak about sex is crass and unnecessary, is the general idea.
     
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    _Selutu_ 灭世魔尊

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    This. People assume that what happens in anime/manga/AV are general occurrences in the Japanese society, but it just isn't true.
     
  9. Parth37955

    Parth37955 NU #3, [Dead Inside], Mid-Boss, Dark Dealer Staff Member

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    to clarify, the only reason I was laughing because of how people mischaracterize cultures and stuff. I doubt the average japanese person, if reincarnated into a fantasy world, would start slave harems.
     
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    The thing is, even though japan's sex industry seems "growing?", most men/young men in japan are single/virgins.... That also explains why in an interview I watched, A jp girl said she hated how jp men are "too passive", unlike foreigners/westerners.
     
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    Lazybum0 Cheers darlin'

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    World Domination! I tell ya . You are all underestimating Japan ! The land of rising sun! Japan is secretly gathering an army of Wizards ,they are covering it up with hentai ,Bl , AV videos , and all that shit . By now they should have an army of at least 20 ,000,000 Wizards! Between them there should be Earth Wizards and even the legendaries Sky Wizards!
     
  12. Ai chan

    Ai chan Queen of Yuri, Devourer of Traps, Thrusted Witch

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    I believe this video has significance to the discussion at hand.

    It's hard to get a girlfriend or have sex when you either don't have a proper job or living in a net cafe. So what do they get? Dating simulations, of course. After all, 2D girls will never look down on you just because you're working as a part-timer or living in a net cafe. Girls can't usually be found living in net cafes as there are less stigma attached to late 20s girls who still live with their parents, but that doesn't mean they're willing to suffer the obligation of having a partner or children.

    ***The rest are explanation. If you are the tl;dr type of person, don't bother reading.***

    In Japanese culture, there is a term called 'giri', which is hard to translate because it has no equivalence in any other culture, with the closest thing being 'life debt'. However, it has often been translated as 'obligation' or 'duty' or 'burden of obligation'. The Japanese are very serious about this. Basically, from the day you were born, you owe someone something. Every time you interact with someone, you owe them something. When you have parents, you owe your parents, whether it be in the form of filial piety, doing well at school or taking care of them even if they have never taken care of you. When you have a boyfriend, you have a duty to be a good girlfriend, the method of which depends on your own interpretation. If you get married you have a debt towards your husband, and your husband similarly has debt to you. When you have a child, the debt increases. It's hard to explain, especially to westerners who consider not seeing their parents for 5 years is normal.

    Some examples:
    1) A child towards a dead parent:
    - Just because they're dead, doesn't mean your debt disappears. As long as you live, your debt towards your parents remain. However, this debt is not shared by your children if they have never met your parents. If your children was taken care of by your parents at some point in their lives, they do have their own debts towards your parents, but it's not the same debt as yours.
    2) A student towards a teacher:
    - Just because they no longer teach you, doesn't mean your debt disappears. While not many still retain close relations with their teachers after they graduated, they will still attend the teacher's funeral regardless of where they live. Not attending your teacher's funeral when you live nearby is frowned upon.
    3) Housewarming gifts:
    - When a newlywed move into their new home, they will usually receive lots of gifts from friends and families. Sounds normal? Not quite. Due to the giri culture, every one of these gifts must be reciprocated. For small gifts like toilet sandals or mugs, a simple thank you letter is more than enough. The problem comes when people give them large unnecessary gifts, like refrigerator or large wardrobe. Due to the giri culture, they must give back something of equal or almost equal value, which is annoying. So remember, if you have newlywed Japanese friends, just give something simple as housewarming gift.
    4) Girlfriend towards boyfriend:
    - When you have a boyfriend, everything changes from your usual norms. You can't laze around at home like when you're single. You can't leave your cellphone turned off because your boyfriend could be messaging you. You also have to take care of your home in case your boyfriend wants to visit. You usually take care of your home anyway in case your friends want to visit. You have to keep some juices or tea to serve your visitors if they do come to visit. When you don't even have a home in the first place or if the home is not yours, you have failed a portion of your giri. So you have to work even harder in the other portions of your giri. It comes to the point where it becomes too much to bear for the average girl. It become too troublesome that they either find laid-back boyfriends or they don't date at all.
    5) Boyfriend towards a girlfriend:
    - If you don't have a home or a proper job, it's over for you. You do not deserve to have a girlfriend, even the men themselves think this way. Because of the intensity of Japanese rat-race, the number of men with no job or their own home has greatly increased every year. It's not getting better.
     
  13. CDLevit

    CDLevit Aspiring water; spark of cynicism; Em&es explorer.

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    @Ai chan - example 1 exists even here, it's a moral and civil obligation - to take care of some of your relatives withing certain limits.
    Example 2 - That's also viable here, but that's more out of respect and social norms, in very few cases it's out of conviction and there are certain exceptions.
    Example 3 - Here, the gift to newlyeds takes a monetary form. The newlyweds invite you to a festivity (usually hold in a restaurant) where you they serve you food, drinks and where you dance. It's something that has to do with.. how society and social relationships try to help the newlyweds. But, some do that out of interest as it's tought that: if we go to that marriage, they'll be indebted and also come to ours/our children and so on. What's interesting is that, in fact, it's something like an investition, like an exchange. The relatives are often expected to give more money and they, usually, do that.
    Example 4 - Here, there was something similar, but, in the last decades that began to fade out.

    Of course, there are few variations and exceptions, but, there are also similar things.

    Thank you for sharing what you know with us!
     
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