LCD The Second Coming of Gluttony

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  1. Seinha

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    Wow, cant wait to see him frick gula
     
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    Still better though than the jerks out there.
    Clara with her bitchy attitude "so what if she suffered" and Mikhail's "we've done enough" then becomes "let's reap everything ourselves".
     
  3. Draksil

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    Yeah, he's definitely one of the nicer guys currently, even if he wasn't the last couple of years during his gambling addiction.
    On another note, I really dont't understand why it's normal for Earthlings to call the Paradisians NPCs. They know it's another world, they know if they die they lose all memory of it, so it's not like they have all experienced death many times and really feels this to be a game. It just doesn't make much sense to me. All Earthlings coming to Paradise are mercenaries, or at least hired helpers, but why do they feel the need to be so disrespectful?
     
  4. chucke

    chucke Going towards the glorious future

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    I like the conversations in the story. They feel very real.(y)

    Because it is essentially MMO with one life slot. Most of the people treat it as some kind of part-time job.
     
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    It's not essentially an MMO when they know these people aren't just computer-generated. I find it hard to believe that 90% of Earthlings sent to Paradise are either really stupid or all psychos.
    Even if most treat it as a part-time job, it's crazy that 90+% of them who are employed treat the "customers at the restaurant", the Paradisians, like they're all dirt. Paradisians are surprised whenever Seol shows them basic human decency
     
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    Maybe because of the fact that they have no attachments to that world and because no one else knows about that world nor allowed to freely speak about it in Earth.

    Basically, no one can tell anyone in Earth how much of a jerk you are in Paradise.

    Also another sample: the three idiots (heroes) in Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari
     
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    That still feels like a stupid thing for them to do. Acting like a jerk because their family and friends back on Earth won't find out? What about your reputation in Paradise, or the fact that you can't advance to high-ranker, giving you much fame and potential for millions of dollars in earnings,without first getting a mission by the royal family? If Chohong had a bad reputation, I'm sure they would've sent her on a suicide mission to advance to a High-Ranker.
    Making it impossible to advance without their permission literally happened because the Earthlings didn't do their job properly: Instead, they were disrespectful and turned their weapons against the ones giving them their mission. It's like almost all the Earthlings conveniently forget that there are 7 literal Gods on this planet, and that it's only due to them that they have any special powers, and have the opportunity to earn more money than they ever could back on Earth: Of course there will be many humans who are dicks, but that not calling a Paradisian an NPC is considered surprising behaviour, is very worrying. If this happens because most of the Earthlings recruited are those who were already dicks and had large debts, then I think the recruiters are doing a bad job; I at least wouldn't want to recruit people who treat others like that, even just from a selfish standpoint of wanting to earn a lot of money: Something that can only happen when the Factions the Earthlings join actually receive missions from the Paradisians, and having presentable faction-members goes a long way in that.

    The following conversation is hyperbole, but I'm happy to receive inputs and arguments for why you think the recruiters are sending desperate people to paradise and not only trained and disciplined ones. It may even be told more clearly in the beginning of the novel, and this entire following try at a "sketch" of sort, may be poor in execution and facts. And if you argue that many of those people sent over are trained people and not just outcasts with large debts (I know they do silver and bronze invitations for example), then I find it hard to believe that 90+% act with such little respect towards Paradisians, and seems to have no clue just why they are sent over in the first place: To help and receive pay in return.
    Even if people are selfish, it would seem to me that at least acting with some human decency, much like Seol's "golden commandment", would get you much further in Paradise. Doesn't have to be much, just not calling people for NPCs goes a long way.

    [Recruiter 1: "Okay, 7 literal Gods have presented us with an opportunity to send people to another world to work as adventurers and mercenaries. We and the adventurers will be paid in gold and other rare materials, and even if one of them die, they will still get to live on Earth, but have their memories of all this removed: Basically, every fantasy adventurer's dream, to be able to use all the money they earned during adventuring, even if they die on a mission."

    Recruiter 2: "Wow, that sounds amazing! Let's send all the outcasts and those with huge debts over there!"

    Recruiter 1: "I don't think that's a good idea, we're making a deal with literal Gods here, don't you think we should send something better that humanity has to offer?"

    Recruiter 2: "No man, we can more easily control those who are very desperate"

    Recruiter 1: "But what about our agreement with the Gods, don't we run the risk of ruining that? Their entire point for making this deal is to receive help from Earthlings, it's not a cultural exchange program or to discipline Earth's outcasts. Also, people who have lost everything due to gambling and such, don't really seem to be the most reliable people. Can't we just treat it like a normal job? Like, offer an athlete who has trained their body their entire lives, but just barely missed the chance to become a professional, to now use their talents in Paradise? Some Martial Artists and Swordsmasters would be able to become millionaires by going there. Heck, some may even really enjoy the work, helping to save a world, without their own lives being in much real danger."

    Recruiter 3: "I agree with Recruiter 2, I saw a homeless man the other day on the street, I'd rather clean up our own world first. I say send them!"

    Recruiter 1: "... You guys do realize this is a billion, perhaps even trillion dollars business opportunity? Shouldn't we take this more seriously? And if we send people over there who just treat it as a game or a vacation where they can even earn some money, then we won't be able to actually instill the discipline needed in them for when the Countries in Paradise requests our help for a large-scale mission, where millions of dollars in gold are involved: We don't need small-time gangsters or people with no respect for authorities.
    I say send athletes or those training to become soldiers, many of them are already disciplined and used to using their bodies."

    Recruiter 4: "I think you made a few good points Recruiter 1, but I'm still gonna go ahead with 2 and 3's plan. Short term gains with desperate people seems the best plan, instead of developing a mutually beneficial relationship."]
     
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  8. DreamHaze

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    Most of them don't have a good relationship with paradisian because of past conflicts and some are just straight-up psychopaths. In fact aside from those 2 guys from revolutionary army everyone else we have seen so far behaving normally with paradisian. The village chief was only giving the same missions again and again which could be a reason why they treated him as such. At most, they were not willing to risk their lives during the fortress defense which seems fair.
     
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    The gluttony plan is to spread the damage between the earth and paradise? that is why "heroes" are chosen among addicts and debtors, that is to say incompetent people. For the earth to extract as much as possible before cutting ties with paradise
     
  10. Bastil

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    Buncha reasons. Bad ones, but reasons nonetheless.
    1) The head honcho's are super important on the well-developed Earth, only seeking to exploit. This bleeds into their organizations' policies, and interactions.
    2) The lowest rungs are duped into slave contracts, (relatively) weak and cannot vent on the people who put them in that position.
    3) The middle rungs with a bit more freedom tend to have grown into the disrespectful bad habits already.
    4) The strongest people are either invited in a position of great privilege, power and authority in their organization, or grow into such power and authority, and either way become complicit in the exploitative orgs, forcing them to keep being colossal assholes to keep their position.
    5) Peer pressure of sorts; The more people act that way, the more it's considered normal.
    6) General condescension as people from a technologically advanced place seeing a backwater dark age people.
    7) The low relative strength of Paradisers when compared to Earthlings; Paradisers aren't given a Class, if I recall.
    8) Apparently there's already been a significant conflict between Earthlings and Paradisers in some form or another, which the Earthlings won, thus enforcing the feeling of superiority.
    EDIT#2: Earthlings LOST, Sinyoung & Paradise won. Ends in the same kind of distaste though.
    9) The complete lack of personal cost to such bad behavior, as a result of basically being property of giant organizations that basically have free reign to retaliate however they fit.

    The list goes on. I imagine the early Earthlings and rankers had an easier time being humane when there hadn't really been any conflict yet, and when a single company couldn't negotiate as an equal with an entire nation - Something several organizations can do in present day. But when conflict arrived, interests grew and the relative power of the Paradisers waned, the incentive to being generally decent to people not likely to be of any real help in growing your level probably waned just as much.

    EDIT: Basically, the Earthlings are a combination of the three most dickish forms of military: Mercenaries, Royal Guard elites and slave troops.
     
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  11. CookieCutter

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    Wasn't the open conflict between Earthlings and Paradisians the rebellion which rebellious Earthlings lost? Although it only served to make Suyoung (or what-its-name) more powerful.

    Also, in addition to all of your reasons, there's also the fact that they have classes, levels, stats and skills which they can purchase with points, which creates a very game-like enviroment. (I really hope it is explained why the gods decided to do things this way and why they can't freely give power-ups to Earthlings and Paradisians they like).
     
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    ... Darn, you're right (I think), Suyoung won that one, not earthlings as a whole. My B.

    And indeed, the game-like environment definitely doesn't help things!
     
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    Now the game-like system is just the excuse the big baddies use to influence others to take things like a game.

    The lastest chapters tells a little about the firsts Earthlings in Paradise. They wanted to help Paradisians at first, but some got power and influence in that world and started to scheme for more power and control on the political sphere. Pushing others to fight at the forefront, severing ties with other races (it seems abandoning the Beastfolks was Earthling agenda), creating inner conflicts for more power (Sinyoung).

    We don't know how they did thing before, but how they recruit now is earthling-centric. They take the dregs of society, make they firm slave contracts and use them as the forefront of any dangerous mission. They are the mayority, and their owners say to them to take things like a game. With just that you already have earthlings low on morals or control impulse being the norm in Paradise.

    Then you have the invited. The people with influence and connections on Earth that take this as an opportunity. They are part of organizations that use Paradise as a way to get resources, money and more influence on Earth. Paradise as a world is an afterthrough. And like someone say earlier, they can do whatever they want and none on Earth will know. The only ones that know are your buddies and coworkers. They think the same as you, so the is no conflict of interest.
     
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    Also, I don't know what were the backgrounds of the first Earthlings, but most of the big organizations we know of are criminal groups: Triads, Mexican Cartels and Sicillian Mafia: those aren't the kind of people that think of "the greater good" or "give and take"...
     
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    Hoh. The 'banquet' sounds like a power-up/hunting event. Aaaaand we'll get to see our romantic Triad!

    I can see it! Hao Win doing something for Seol and Chohong! :blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool:
     
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    chucke Going towards the glorious future

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    Seol is smooth :cool: Scoring points with Chohong like candies.
     
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    It's funny that Chohong consider herself as Seol's Noona when she's actually younger than Seol.
     
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    chucke Going towards the glorious future

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    She probably is looking down on him as she was in Paradise longer and has a higher rank.
     
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    For starters, Paradise ain't a safe place. Even a ride to crime city reduced their numbers down to half. So you can't blame the Earthlings who doesn't want to risk their lives on dangerous missions. Also not everyone has a high level stamp like Seol, majority of them are under slave contracts, which is more reason for them not to be as enthusiastic as Seol.

    Also, people who wanna escape reality will be more adamant to go to Paradise. It's not yet explained, but I think it's safe to assume that recruiters are rewarded based from the quantity of their haul. Anyone with a minor success with life won't be fooled or gullible that such thing as Paradise exist. Even if in the scenario where they believe of it's existence, they'd be more rational and suspicious for such a good deal.

    I think there's a chance for the high rankers to solve the Parasite problem, but nobody just want to initiate and become a cannon fodder or a sacrifice. Also once you fall victim from the Parasites, you won't return to Earth anymore and will be converted to one.
     
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    They will witness the birth of the training maniac~