LCD The Second Coming of Gluttony

Discussion in 'Latest Chapter Discussion' started by Shield Loyalist, Sep 26, 2018.

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Which is strongest?

  1. banana

    18 vote(s)
    11.8%
  2. ramen

    103 vote(s)
    67.8%
  3. lilac

    32 vote(s)
    21.1%
  4. naengmyeon

    5 vote(s)
    3.3%
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  1. Draksil

    Draksil Well-Known Member

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    @Bachingchung
    But the Earthlings don't actually die for real. Also, the thing with the Parasites and using other species to birth new ones is a very recent development, as in only a few months old, so I don't think they captured live specimens for experiments until now. But what do you mean I can't blame the Earthlings who don't want to risk their lives on dangerous missions? That's what they're there for.
     
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    Well I'm sure I wouldn't want to lose my little game world where I can have anything I want with no repercussions
     
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    Or go through the pain of getting heavily wounded constantly before eventually dying a horrible death.
     
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    waleuska Well-Known Member

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    isn't the money exchange rate crazy? You only need a few sliver coins and life like a king on earth. So why kill yourself if you only need a few sliver to become rich?
     
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    Bachingchung Well-Known Member

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    Nope, they are free to do whatever. If they want to be stronger then it's necessary to take missions. The Paradisians don't really have much choice, but to settle with those greedy humans.

    Also it's always been like that with the Parasites. It's not a recent development, parasites find host and take over their bodies. Which is worse than death cause they won't be able to return to Earth. The women and men used for mating ain't really turned to Parasites completely, since Parasites would lose their ability to reproduce.
     
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    Ah I think you're right in regards to the Parasites, I forgot they normally take over bodies (though I don't know how big a risk that is for humans, since beasts probably have better specs to act as hosts, since much of humans' strength comes from their skills, which I imagine the parasite taking over their body won't be able to use)
     
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    I've never seen people comment on other fantasy novels and say: "I can't believe anyone would ever want to be an Adventurer, after all, there's a risk of getting injured and dying" - even though I can agree with the sentiment
    But being Adventurers is exactly what the Earthlings were brought to Paradise to be. And they even have a much bigger safety net than most other adventurers in novels, in that the Earthlings have the possibility to return to Earth after dying (and they'll even forget about their potentially horrible death): A return to Earth and their life there where their debt is paid, or a lot of extra money on their bank account, and most aren't as extreme as Seol in that they only live for Paradise, so they'll still remember the last couple of years of their Earth life and the better standing they have there now.

    I think the Author never should've allowed people to go back to their lives on Earth after death in Paradise, that way it would make more sense in my opinion why the Recruiters are mostly going for outcasts of society who have debts and not much of a choice, add more meaning to whenever someone dies in Paradise, and also why the Earthlings in Paradise act the way they do: Both towards Paradisians, since many Earthlings would more justifiably feel to be in a slave contract with their lives on the line, actually risking their lives fighting for another world (and not as it is now with chance to live on), which could easily turn into bitterness towards the natives of the world they're protecting. Right now the Earthlings just seems more like ungrateful people, having their debts paid off, big corporations paid billions of dollars, yet they turned their weapons against the natives (the earlier war) because they felt they weren't treated right and risked their lives? (though not really risked their lives)
    It's not like the plot device with death in Paradise not being a real death is totally meaningless, since for Seol, death in Paradise almost translates to a real death, since he has nothing to live for on Earth, but it cheapens the others' death for me at least.
     
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    I feel like people keep on undervaluing how much of an impact on loosing years of memories can happen on people. I can see ex adventurers having extremely high suicide rates due to psychosis and other mental issues that come with loosing large amounts of memories. There is a reason why people who have lost their memories in an accident need a support group of trusted people to be around them for long periods of time, something that may not happen with individuals with slave stamps. And for their friends in paradise it would be like watching your friend go through a horrific accident and loose their memories. I do agree that it would be more serious if they just died though.
    My personal thoughts on the paradise/ earthling interaction is that the majority of the earthlings treat paradisers as NPC's as a coping mechanism. Think, what is scarier: horrific monsters in a single death virtual reality game or horrific monsters in real life? I also agree with the fact that some of it might come from the types of people being gathered up to go to paradise.
    Going to war also seems perfectly natural, even here in the real world you have countries going to war for land and natural recourses, what do you think would happen if a triad or mafia leader got the chance to become a ruler by getting rid of someone that is relying on them? Not every war needs big reasons for it. I could see one short sighted egotistical leader starting something and it rapidly devolving into paradiser vs earthling.
     
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    That is because i think you are only looking at the good of it and not the bad. I don't think it is just losing your memories of paradise. You lose a huge part of yourself. You speed, strength, and other even people you met along the way.

    I bet everyone who dies in paradise have a missing feeling. They aren't as strong as they use to be. They lives use to be exciting and now it is boring. I think dying would be better than just losing your memories. You can either die in a blaze of glory of become avg once again. Most people don't want the avg live.
     
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    We haven't seen anyone try to cope from the memory loss associated with death in Paradise, so I guess it's hard to discuss it. But can they even remember not being average once they die in Paradise? Can they remember their lives being exciting? If they can't, then they won't miss it
     
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    But they will miss large chunks of memory which can impair brain functions as they try to find links that aren't there and potentially cause mental issues. Don't forget, they will loose any memories relating to paradise, even if they come from speaking to people on earth. How badly it affects people will be reliant on how well supported ex rankers are supported by their backers.
     
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    but their bodies should. Yeah we should wait until we learn more about it. but i doubt it would be just as easy as memory lost. Heck look at our main character. The reason he is a better person is his gifts and his past life. Without those two things he might turn back into a bum.
     
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    Their life on Paradise would be synonymous to having jobs, and their life and jobs on Earth are nothing but a cover. So if you wake up with no memories of Paradise and go to your cardboard cutout workplace, then you'll definitely be fvcked.

    And the correlation of Paradise and their livelihood would make them more appreciative of their life on Paradise. Also the girls are hot in Paradise, nobody want to lose those Poontangs.

    This novel is just more realistic in regards of humanity's feelings and nature. Nobody wants to be the top adventurer of the world unlike in every Isekai novels. At the end of the day, their world will revolve around sex and riches. Nobody gives a shit about honor and Pride here.
     
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    Ah, how could I have been so foolish, I completely forgot about hot girls! Yeah, I can understand now why they won't risk their lives too much on Paradise, unless of course they're risking it for a lot of Gold (which I guess can also translate into hot girls on Paradise)

    Well, this discussion has certainly been interesting, even if most (or everyone, at least those who were vocal) seemed to disagree with my views/interpretation of the situation. I believe it started with discussing Earthlings calling Paradisians for NPCs, and ended up with discussing how permanent memory loss affects a person and his life. Even if it may not seem like it, I am inclined to agree with some of your viewpoints, and I may have been too naive in my thinking in regards to Earthlings and how they'd act. Perhaps I disregarded some of the things you, the debaters, have already mentioned and also that in other fantasy novels, adventurers are protecting people from monsters in their home world, and some of the Adventurers, especially the strong ones, are hailed/looked up to by the common folk; but since the divide between Earthlings and Paradisians are so large currently, Earthlings won't have that same satisfaction, and none of their peers back on Earth will ever learn how they faced a dangerous monster horde to save 200 villagers. This could be one of the many facets, including the ones you guys have already mentioned, that contributes to the current climate and selfishness among the Earthlings
     
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    Now you catch our drift. XD

    It's normal to have those thoughts though, since you basically see Paradise on Seol's perspective. However, you forgot the fact that Seol is unique and not everyone have the same talent like future sight or rainbow Rinenggan. That's why you disregarded how difficult Paradise would be for others.
     
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    Why he haven't talent in spearmanship?
    He is so strong and have "memories" (Only a flash) and his body remember his post life
     
  17. Shield Loyalist

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    It's not about his spearmanship, but overall physical ability. His mana is so dang good that his physical ability don't match up/get 'carried'.

    Another is with how fast he ascended to lvl 3. As what I said it was mostly mana defeating the mobs, and there's also his "cheat codes" that make his physical ability subpar compared to people who rely on them entirely.
     
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    You have to remember that Seol has magic stats of a lvl 5, but just that. He started with great physical stats after the Neutral Zone, but that's it. Also the warrior/archer classes aren't big in the magic department, but in physical stats and technical abilities. Future Vision made him start with his skills at a higher rank, does not mean they are at the Ranker lvl.
     
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    Whats different nine eyes and future vision does he also has future vision in past life?

    Also im curious in his past life, does he also regain his nine eyes ability that he lost when he gambling
     
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    Nine Eyes is the skill he was born with and awakened as a kid. Future Vision is the skill he seems to get after the dream. It's really the cheat skill. It makes him "feel" when he should do something, it upgrades his skill proficiency, it made him have the strenght of a lvl 7 just a few moments with the Nest. In the end is the way he got where he is now, that's why now he want to stop running away or rely on the skill to achieve things.
     
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