why does it feel like being caught watching that video is more embarrassing than being caught watching porn
I do understand your point but, first of all, the child's interest is more important than the parents interest as he's in a unprotected situation. What you've saied is good, i've got your point but, in rl, how can you apply it? What are the limits? It's difficult to equilibrate the child's interest with that of the parents. In my country, from what I know, surogracy isn't recognized by law. The main point of the discussion is about the fact that, in the end, personal reasons should triumph, right? Yes and no. Don't make a children if you can't take care of it! Don't use the children for your own gains! Surrogacy is difficult to pin out, I.e. what are the reasons for doing so? Do the one who 'commanded' a child has rights on it? Why don't they adopt one.? And so on. I do understand your point of view but, as I do see things, most people won't sleep for money. Because they see different the effects. Of course, an individual has a duty to themselves but, what I'm trying to say is that prostitution shoudn't happen in a forced way and that's why society is partially at fault - it doesn't protect all it's members.
I don't believe prostitution should be forced either. But "forced prostitution" is what I would call sex slavery, and that's something entirely different. If you're saying society is at fault for not perfectly protecting all its members all the time, thus giving rise to situations where one has to resort to prostitution, I can only say that that viewpoint is not realistic, and blaming society for not being perfect is counterproductive. No society will ever be perfect. And because of human nature, some people will always be exposed and end up fucked over. I was never saying someone forced into prostitution is at fault; if you're being forced, then there is no choice. But if you choose to sell yourself for money, then there is no way society is at fault. In any case where an individual has a choice, it is their responsibility to try to make the correct one. And if they don't, it is their responsibility to bear the consequences. Being in a rather horrid situation irl myself, I can sympathise with and understand them. But I refuse to pity anyone who has made an informed choice as an adult. If someone I know is doing something I think will harm them, I will advise them. If they do it anyway and end up in trouble, I will help them. But I will not pity them, and I will not blame society or circumstances for what they have chosen, nor will I listen to them blame anyone but themselves. I find it disrespectful.
I know that it's not realistic but, is that a problem? If I were to be realistic, woudn't that mean the acceptance of society as what it is? Somehow, yes. But, that acceptance is similar to accepting something that you can't change and, as a result, you won't try to change what you can. It's like adapting to what you've got and, as long as it doesn't affect you, in a direct way, then it's ok. What's that human nature that you're talking about? One where we are selfish, cold blooded and so on? Yes, of course, but.. I tend to believe that most of us aren't norned so and, because of that, we can change what we can. What consequences are you talking about? See, in case of prostitution, usually, we end up with social consequences. I'm not fully understanding the consequences of a legalized prostitution. Why? Because I'm not fully matured in that aspect and, in the end, I still have to tie up what scraps of information I can. Informed choice? Who informs you when you decide to prostitute yourself? The buyer? The pimp? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If you refuse to pity them, ok, I understand that. But, I will pity those that weren't fully informed about what they did. If not, that would mean that I refuse them a better chance, a chance to change what they can do and bear their faults and mistakes. Having sadness and regretting that they can't chose something else is what I will try to do. If not, it's like i'll put them in a blocked state. The sole fact that they are blaming someone or something shows that they preceive a problem somewhere in their life. Are they partially at fault? Sometimes, yes! But, why not pitying them? If you have pity for them that doesn't mean that you approve of what they're doing, right? If you don't have pity, does that mean that you're not understanding them? But, understanding them means to think from their position. Can we do that? Sometimes, no. It's all about personal decisions and personal resonsibility. That's why even if I can't agree with a willing prostitution as it's against my beliefs, that doesn't mean that I won't accept a prostitute decision. But, like in our talk, we end up comparing a personal point of view with a general point of view and than with another personal point of view... And all this is about different points of view. I desire a free society, as free as it can be. blaming society & circumstances ... For some is a way to cope with their bad decision. I'm not for a transfer of blame but about a taking into consideration that, even if you were to fully know what prostitution is about, in the end, you're talking about taking risks as what you hear isn't what you'll face, what you think isn't what's true... It's like in the case of theory and practice: both confront each other and, in the end, you have to 'judge' particular cases, situations and not using 'tags' more than a starting point, as a formula or a mean to dwelveore into personal choices, decisions and help them accept what they can and should and change what they can. Anyway, what's personal is personal. And, we're again at the starting point: we don't posses a colective mind and because of that we must accept that every decision has it's consequences and, sonetimes, we have to bear consequences that aren't our fault: we aren't responsible for how society views us, only for how we will act. But, should we bear that? Should we sacrifice little for the many? Those who are fully dedicated for prostitution for those who aren't? I think no. But.. It's hard to decide and.. My brain... Fried himself, sorry, i'll stop here and think more about this subject. There are few aspects that I've missed, that i've adressed wrong or in a faulty way but..at this moment, This is my level of understanding.
This, in the end, comes down to personal philosophy. I believe pity should be reserved for those unfortunates who, through no fault of their own, have had the world come down around them. Pity is not for people who suffer the consequences of their own actions, no matter what those consequences might be. We have different opinions, and that's fine. I'm not saying you are neccessarily wrong; I state things as though they are facts sometimes, but thats only because that's how I think, how I feel. Many things are subjective. As for places with legalized prostitution, generally the prostitutes there are far better off. There is protection for them, guaranteed pay, insurance etc. That, I would believe, should be optimal for everyone. A persons body is their own. This is how it should be. As for if we should sacrifice the few for the many... that is an old question, my friend. very old, and one I've struggled with for a long time. I think it depends on how much power you have. One who is responsible for many lives have to consider it from a cost-benefit perspective... but on a personal level, I think you shouldn't have to. And not pitying someone, doesn't mean I won't help or care for them. To me, pity is a very dangerous emotion. I've suffered a lot from people pitying me due to my circumstances, even when I feel that they should not. I feel it is disrespectful because it means you believe they had no power over what happened. I don't like that.