Dungeons Tower of Reincarnation - Common Area

@AliceShiki *peek*

how's dungeon

 

Let me finish catching up to my alerts (may take a while... >.>) and I'll make the PM!

 

oki~
take your time~
i might eat dinner soon though . . .

 

So many new account signing up

 

Bu-but it was all in a dream! I can't guarantee I'll have the same dream again to fix it! >.<

*hugs*

 

*huggles back*

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- Thunder: 3 electricity-attribute magical attacks with a formula of 70% (or 0.7x) Mag will hit randomly between you, one of the enemy, or one of your allies. Either that, or it will simply miss, but if it hits then the target cannot dodge, 70 mana cost. Improvement adds 10% Mag.
- Lightning Rod (Variant of Thunder): The Target is 100% certain to be hit by Thunder next Turn. Only one Target can have this effect per Battle. If the Target dies, the remaining Thunders' hits are considered misses. 70 Mana Cost. Improvement adds 10% Mag to Thunder.
- Bond of Pain (Variant of Thunder): Link 4 enemies for 3 turn. When one of Targets suffers damage, the remaining ones recieve 30% of the damage. 100 Mana Cost. Improvement adds 10% to the shared damage.

huhuhuhu *wipes drool*
if i ever have enough mana and turns . . . i feel like i can singlehandedly kill a boss and its minions reaaaaal quick

Lightning Rod on boss => Bond of Pain mainly on boss and linked to minions => THUNDAAAAA

 

*waits for a boss that is immune to electricity element*
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:|

 

lets do the math . . . if all skills are maxed and i pour all my stats into mag from now on . . . plus my mage apprentice staff . . . 27 mag . . . and that's uhhh . . . 35 damage and 21 damage to minions!

 

*thinks on how the thunder could hit you*
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mwahahahaha . . . *makes sure to stock up on the best food so I can use lightning rod three times*

 

Well, the Lightning Rod stops that from happening, doesn't it?

I honestly think the best use for it is to actually have a thunder mage cast lightning rod, then Bond of Pain on the next turn, meanwhile a support mage casts a support spell (like Frostbite) then uses a Thunder Scroll on the next turn to deal tons of damage.

 

But he was talking about fighting a boss on his own
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Yeah, he was... Which is in general, a bad idea! >.<

I mean, sure, you can make it work, but I just assume that bosses will have high stats and... Well, BAM! Dead before casting thunder.

 

*nods*
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My review about the new Thunder change

In my opinion Lightning Rod need to get more mp cost (100) and remove bonus Thunder damage and change it to more cost reduce. (0,7 + 0,3 + 0,3) x 3 = 3,9 is definitely too much. Arent one of the GM said 2 Fireball at +3 (which is 1,5 x 2 or 3x) could kill a boss not resist to Fire ? Then why need to make combo skill with bigger damage than that ? Thunder + Rod is more mp efficient than 2x Fireball so this Rod must have standard magic accuracy rate check by Wis to balance that

Then Bond of Pain need to be reworked to a new skill. Theoretically Bond can deliver more damage but most mob would dead by 1st Fire Rain. Killing Stone Boar need 2 Fire Rain , but casting Bond then Thunder is 2 move. Thus Bond is almost useless when Thunder mage could grab Fire Rain.

 

Double Fireball costs 4 skill points and 200 MP. Or 7 skill points and 140 MP.

Thunder + Lightning Rod at 300% MAG damage costs 5 Skill Points at 140 MP.

At first it might seem that Thunder is the clear winner, but...

You have to consider that Lightning Rod is a nigh useless spell for most encounters, the only moment I would consider it useful would be if you were on a 1v1 encounter and didn't want to risk using Thunder, nor had enough attack to kill the monster without spells... Which would mean you would spend 140 MP and 2 turns to kill a single random mook. Add the 7 Rest turns to that, and you have 9 turns for a single kill, while also letting you take damage during setup turn, while fireball can do the same in 6 turns with no need to take the damage.

Sure, you could use Lightning Rod with Bond of Pain and then Cast Thunder, but that is a 240 MP 3 turns setup, not to mention that the 3rd hit of the thunder (and maybe even the 2nd) will miss because the target is dead.



Both spells serve different purposes I think. Thunder is a strong AoE spell that can't miss, but is very unreliable.

Lightning Rod is a Thunder Support that makes it viable against small numbers of enemies or particularly strong enemies.

Meanwhile, Fireball is a single target damage spell, while Fire Rain is a AoE damage spell.

The fire versions are easier to use and have bigger MP cost.

The Thunder versions need to be used with care and have some niches to play with, as well as some combos to work out with one another.

I think both spell sets are largely different tbh. I don't think the comparison applies.

Unreliable, Cost-efficient, Setup-dependent VS Reliable, Expensive, independent.

They really have almost nothing in common aside from the fact both are offensive magical spells.



I'd also say that Thunder works a lot better with Spell Scrolls if you're playing on a party, which is definitely not the case with Fireball.

 

...we have Double Fireball?