Discussion Why, foreigners or ppl that live abroad feels justified, when they said " in abroad we can do this "

I do have to ask this (though im sure some moron will scream *insert perjorative term ending in -ist* just because they dont agree) but perhaps they absorb the bad more than the good as rebellion against extremely strict and possibly absurd cultural/religious/etc mores that most of the world probably discarded well over a century (or more) ago?

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I find it funny. If I were to stop a man from beating his wife in a conservative country, then am I imposing my culture upon them? Because in America, that’s domestic violence and VERY frowned upon, while it might be a norm in other countries. My point is that people seem to think that since Western culture is their enemy, all of the ideas of Western culture is also wrong. Tradition is important but preserving tradition is not always the best thing for progression. The real problem lies in closed-mindedness, and ignorance towards the culture. You should try to understand the positives of Western culture. Sex before marriage? Maybe its because women have more rights and can actually choose the partners they want to be with, compared to arranged marriages in the past. The dating culture was something after all born from women’s rights and freedom for all. Less respect? This is mostly because the definition of respect fits more than it did in the past. “Respecting” your father because of fear towards beatings was not respect. Get my point? In general, because western culture speaks along the lines of freedom, people have the ability to express themselves. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t things wrong with Western culture, but people do try to actively make change. To be honest, the best solution for you, is to just go out and learn. As simple as that.

 

i wouldn't even say that it's socially acceptable where the person may be from. here in the states, those things are generally something people may just ignore because the jackasses doin that sort of shit also tend to make a huge scene, telling off anyone that tries to say they're being horrible people. we usually just hope they get hit by a selfdriving car or something and go about our lives. this is just part of the side effect of the anti-bullying and pro-victim mentality that's been going around. it's no longer socially acceptable for people to point out when someone's doing something wrong, which in turn makes 'that person feel like they're totally justified with whatever crap they're doing. then that just spills over, since if their country is better than yours, and even they won't say the peron's wrong, who are you to say otherwise? we really gotta stop worrying about "public opinion" and throw the law around more. i don't mean armed cops taking people down, cause that's not gonna end well. we have so many laws in place to protect public spaces (the spaces themselves, not the people in 'em) that get ignored, it'd be great to see these people get shut down by fines. hit 'em where it hurts: their parents' wallets.

 

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

 

thoretically correct, when applied equally. unfortunately, these days SJW/progressives wouldnt agree because it's racist/offensive/inconsiderate etc and against the sacred cult of multiculturalism as long as the people expected to conform are from a 'minority culture' or shot like that.

 

Deported if you're lucky. Good luck avoiding the "re-education" camps

 

Other way around exists in my country. What I say is nothing beats your home. No matter what kind of social fuck ups you do, nobody can jail you and you have someone bigger protecting you. Nothing like that exists abroad where you don’t have social power.... I take that your country is asian and since it’s asian you definitely have those kinds of ppl who can get away with anything....

So yeah, I was kidding about my part in the above but it exists. In asian societies there are ppl who can get away with anything as long as they grease the palms something that’s more difficult to do so in the western countries you quoted...

TLDR: rule of law exists in the western countries and not in asian countries where it can be flouted far more easily

 

Bruv, I think you're misunderstanding things here. OP just ask why foreigner justified their action with "back at my place it's ok". You don't have to go overboard with it, y'know. Besides, a different place has a different culture. Try to respect them.

 

Xenophobia at its finest.
Humans are stupid. Wars have been started for similar reasons
And people killed for similar reasons.
Funny enough, regardless of what you believe in : religion or evolution we are all immigrants.
Either Abraham migrating
Or humans migrating across oceans during the ice age.
Just humans being stupid.
When accommodating would be so much easier.

 

Ok, get it, but that's rise a question for me, why do you think sex outside of marriage is a must when dating? In my country dating is a normal thing as long as you don't have sex And why do you think children in asia respect their parents because out of fear for the beating given from their parents? Asian parents are indeed strict but most of them never beat their child just because, there's maybe a physical punishment but that will only when the child goes too far, like doing criminal things such as rape and thievery but normal naughtiness will not involve excessive beating

 

just treat it as some kind of cultural invasion exchange.

 

When I was a kid, we had our own culture...now its slowly getting influenced by foreign bullshit. I personally don't like it at all.

 

Maybe because some teenagers are tired of the status quo? I know for one I was, and hence why I changed myself. But then again, it's also cause I migrated to the US when I was a teenager, and I was really gungho about improving myself. It might also be that they've seen that other cultures' values speak more to them, hence why they do those things. Or some probably feel oppressed by the pressure to conform to society, and a country's values, regardless of their opinion on it. Though it does sound kind of biased when you only give examples of the sex culture and all party-related behavior.

Though I do agree about foreigners visiting, and expecting the locals to conform to them.

 

It boils down to circumstances.

Wearing bikini - That depends on location, if its in their own private pool or they reserved a public pool, that's their business. If it's in a public place that it is frowned upon, then they should be considerate (In same way you don't wear beach cloth to a restaurant even in resort hotels)

pool party where all of participants will be drink alcohol and wearing swimsuit - Again, if it's a private party and they are not disturbing the neighbors, that is up to them.(assuming they are old enough to legal drink alcohol )

sexs outside of marriage - If both are consenting adults, that is up to them.

insulting, race, religion and ethnic - If its in private and not disturbing anyone, again up to them.

They might not be absolutely right, but you aren't absolutely right either. They can't force their culture on you and at same time you can't force your culture on them. Now of course there is a thing called being "considerate". But that doesn't mean someone should change their lifestyle to fit your standards, even if said standards are supported by the majority.

 

OK so as a American and someone living in another country so abroad for almost half a year so far i get what you are saying its alot different here then back home thats for sure and I get where you're coming from my wife is from here now so are my nephew that seem to want to know about western life I'm not speaking for anyone else or saying anything I say is right but to me a white former Christian country boy living in a Bangladesh which as you might not know is mostly a muslim country coming here I only knew the basics I've lived my entire live living in one environment thats formed my habits and believes and common sense suddenly coming to another place where everything i know is seen as wrong its not so easy to adapt as you'd think man the saying where I'm from this is how we do it is not an excuse or a get out of jail free card not for me at least it's the truth I was raised in America where everything you listed we do to us thats our normal common sense
My point is I'm living here trying my best to fit in but there are times when my common since is still my experiences in america not Bangladesh and ive worked with alot of foreigner back in america they had the same problem its a difference in culture takes time and effort to assimilate you can't expect a none local to behave and act like a local

 

Culture with its traditional religion, patriotic attitude leaves a mark on young people this can only be changed by leaving the generation "out" or by brutal suppression

Like france with the french revolution to overthrow monarchy, the same did the socialist communist movement after karl marx(he wrote about it) like lenin / stallin in russia, the national but still socialist hitler in germany etc the red flags symbolized bloodshed one should always think of this. The Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979 etc.

The "new age" method is to use money to "free" people from their ties to culture. I have seen people like this over the years mostly living in big cities where they are less considered on traditions and can reoriented there then.
Begin to preach and defend their new views because people are like that and want to surround themselves with like-minded people. They see themselves as enlightened and therefore better than the "old" traditions, that happens with every generation. I have noticed that of all these new better people have few true friends, have only facebook acquaintances what also unconsciously is a reason to convince old familiar for the great new life.

The other point is that minorities are always better organized than loose majority and can express their opinion, e.g. lgbt movement. And those living abroad are a minority in relation to the country.

 

I still find it amusing with posts like this..... it's EXACTLY like I need to hold up a mirror at the poster and say: You go on and on about this issue and look, you are doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING as the foreigner you are complaining about. What does that say about you in the end? A bloody foreigner trying to make their culture more superior than another which is.....that's it...what you were complaining about in the first place. *rolls her eyes* Duh.

 

Can’t say if I agree or disagree with you without more examples and more importantly, more specific examples. If you’re against girls wearing a bikini on a beach, then I’d honestly say the problem lies with your culture.
Heres a little bit from wikipedia:
In 2009, the Saudi Gazette reported that a 23-year-old, unmarried woman was sentenced to one year in prison and 100 lashes for adultery. This woman had been gang-raped, became pregnant, and had tried (unsuccessfully) to abort the fetus. The flogging was postponed until after the delivery.[5]

Some cultures simply don’t deserve to be allowed to exist in their current state, I don’t know where you’re from and some of your examples would be situational for me and others unrealistic.

Being against sex before marriage is usually an indicator that your country has a relatively low level of education. The better the education in a country the longer it takes before people get married because they don’t have a stable economy or job untill much later in life, some of these educations will have people studying till they’re 30 or more, it simply isn’t realistic expecting people to stay away from sex during all the years their urges are the most active.

“Insulting” ethnicity or race in a joke can be good or bad, there are people who are malicious about it and put everyone from said ethnicity or race into a box with only negative things and then there are people who joke about it exactly because they see past the boxes and look at individuals.
Joking about ethnicity or race in a lighthearted tone helps us open the boxes and look at what’s inside, when you exaggerate things to a point where people don’t believe it they’ll have to look for themselves.

 

i already praise china online for free. no need for reeducation hahah

 

I agree with a lot of the points made. I think when people travel abroad and come back it's hard to not be influenced. Sure we all know of a person who spent some time abroad and is suddenly speaking with an accent and very over the top. In general though it's just people learning about another wat to live. It just happens that their new values don't conform to their original country upon return. There is nothing wrong with that as people are shaped by influence.

For your first point sex before marriage. It's not so much about going crazy and sleeping with everyone and anyone. It's more about equality. Women were expected to be pure, while it was okay for men to visit brothels or have mistresses. Now it's become less important. You can't really look at a person and tell if they are a virgin. Honestly I wouldn't suddenly break up with someone depending on how many people they have or have not slept with. You have sex to be closer and if you don't like something their into better to find out now. Divorce sucks.

As for alcohol. I'm pretty sure most cultures have it. My friends from China and Korea say that the elder men in their family often drink for work , social gatherings and just because. My point is that drinking too much alcohol has always existed in other countries.

As for Bikinis and pool parties. The Bikini is French I believe. I don't like it. I don't feel secure. A lot of women were one pieces still, at least in the US. I also have a problem with speedos too. I feel like a guy could slip out of them or they have to be cutting of circulation. The pool parties I have been to are more for fun? We play games, see who can hold their breath the longest and try to site on the inflatable log (it's harder then it looks).

Most Western countries have laws about being mean to people because of their race, religion, and other stuff. We can't just ban someone from talking though. However, I am sure that when people do say stuff like that everyone else gets mad at them. After all everyone is free to speak their mind even the people who say hurtful things, and the people who you don't agree with. Excluding comedians it's their job to make fun of everything including themselves.

So to sum up everyone should be considerate of the people around them. However new generations will be influenced by many thing. Some good and some bad but there is no way to stop it. Times change and don't think youyare alone. The elders inthe US says alot of the same things you say. Think about the generation before you. I can guarantee they have similar complaints about your generation.

Complaining about the new generations is something that tends to be universal. So sorry you feel that way, but young people are allowed to make the future they want, even if it goes against norms and tradition, after all they are the ones who will be living in it and running things.