Wuxiaworld Official Response to Qidian's Libelous Claims

Kouhaku · May 22, 2017

Time to delete my qidian bookmark.. Im sorry coz i had been with WW longer than qidian haih

zentetsuken · May 22, 2017

mrezman said: ↑

That cancer shit will destroy the community. There's a reason why the manga community is ruined. There were originally fan translation sites like onemanga that were compliant with Japanese publisher companies. The fucking retarded Japanese companies filed DMCA, so onemanga had to shut down, only giving rise to translation-stealing cancerous websites like mangahere and mangareader that just straight up rip translations from independent translators.
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Using the onemanga situation, isn't currently it's onemanga = WW & retarded japanese company filed DMC
A = retarded chinese company filed DMCA (Qidian)?

heartentice · May 22, 2017

Copyright issue is a very hard issue to tackle. In fact i myself am not sure regarding the inner working of qidian, i mean how much influence/power does the author have compared to the qidian itself of which i see only as a platform for the author to publish their novel.
If qidian indeed have full power regarding the novel it is very hard to win in court, plz enlighten me especially there is no black and white proof

zzz · May 22, 2017

#supportWuxiaWorld
#boycottQidan

polat32 · May 22, 2017

This quote really tells what is right now happening, to the translation world.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Scandalf · May 22, 2017

Wooohoooo. Finally the era of the pirates is in sight. Shall we see who'll be the one to find the One Piece first? I bet you with all these numbers, as long as we work together and look after each other, we'll be faster than Luffy. Even with the huge handicap of a few years. *sigh* I'm sad, sorry

spitFire_4_u · May 22, 2017

This just in folks, they are who we thought they were. If qidian wants to go this route then i'm ditching their novels for good. This is a small community where a fraction of it can actually afford to support their favorite novels. It hasn't even been a year and they want to own the market. The quality of their translations are subpar. How about fixing that first before reaching out for the cookie jar.

Night Ghost · May 22, 2017

Where is the damn popcorn, huh ?
I need popcorn to watch this drama

Tebix · May 22, 2017

Paywall already failed in the west. Without monopoly a paywall don't work on the internet(especially if it was formally for free) just ask Newspaper. it only worked in China because of strict government supervision and because it was so from the beginning.

CloudDaoist · May 22, 2017

pepeoo said: ↑

We chinese are a practical ppl use face where its usable and if its not y bother? Its not like you can eat face
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So that's how it work ! this world is so wonderful !

Sky Farrow · May 22, 2017

...I'm guessing that none of the Chinese authors know about this?

Vade · May 22, 2017

Wuxiaworld introduced me to the Novel world.....So my support goes to Wuxiaworld and henceforth I will not read any novels from Qidian.

InvincibleDespair · May 22, 2017

Death to the greedy qidian mfs!!!
And ISSTH was so close to the end

nyuu1224 · May 22, 2017

rwxwuxiaworld said: ↑

Since it started here, I'm reposting here as well to make it more clear to everyone what is going on.

Dear readers, this might be the most important post I've made since the creation of Wuxiaworld, so I encourage you to read it closely, as it involves the very existence and longevity of this community. As of May 22, 2017 the Yuewen Group, the parent group of Qidian International, sent a formal letter in Chinese making several copyright-related requests of us, and also posted on a libelous statement on NovelUpdates Forum. This is our formal response to that statement (we'll be responding privately to the private email), because all of you who have been with us for so long deserve to know what is happening.

It is extremely unfortunate that Qidian chose to make our disagreements public, as well as quite unprofessional. Unfortunately, over the course of my past half year of engagement with them it has become apparent to me that Western standards of professionalism are perhaps different from the standards which monopolistic Chinese companies might have.

For some months now, Wuxiaworld and Qidian were actually in intensive talks for an investment partnership, and we opened up all of our books and data to them. While I cannot disclose any details due to a non-disclosure agreement, what I can say is that the talks were extremely serious but in the end, due to Qidian imposing many clauses on both the translators and the company which I found unacceptable, our talks fell through roughly a week or two ago. Note the term, 'a week or two ago'. In other words, they know everything about what we have been doing, so their claims of not receiving 'notification' or 'permission' are completely bogus. But more on that later.

There have been many cases during the past six months when I have been forced to 'bite my tongue' as I've watched Qidian's English representatives publicly proclaim how much they wish to support fan translators when in private they have taken a mix of threats and warnings to try and force translators to join their own platform. I won't name them and will let them stand out if they so choose, but there have been many times that I have wished to speak out and publicize some of this, but since I had to look out for our own translators and our own working relationship with Qidian, I was forced to bite my tongue. That is no longer the case.

When we first negotiated with Qidian and reached an agreement of twenty novels, it was agreed that this would serve as the framework for future authorizations as well. It was made extremely clear to Qidian that Wuxiaworld does not select novels, it selects translators, which means that they bring the novels they are working on over to Wuxiaworld. In addition to the formal authorizations agreement, we had an oral commitment from Qidian stating that we can bring new novels onto the site, then bring them under the authorizations umbrella once every quarter. This was the reason why Wuxiaworld has brought in new Qidian novels over the past few months, and for Qidian to suddenly renege on its oral commitments to Wuxiaworld is not only dishonest, it causes serious damages to us and our reputation and we will be seeking appropriate compensation from them if we are indeed forced to halt translation of the new projects.

Many of you might be wondering why Qidian is doing this. In short, in China Qidian holds a near-monopolistic stranglehold on the online reading market, and they are very used to having control over all things they work on. In any market, monopolies are a bad thing. In my negotiations with Qidian, it became increasingly clear to me that they were more interested in having Wuxiaworld as a stepping-stone for their own Qidian International website, which they intend to paywall in a few months. Now that I have declined their onerous and inequitable terms (again, cannot discuss due to NDA), they wish to put the screws to us and take by force what they were unable to do through contractual negotiations. There are also talks of them potentially wishing to buy Gravity, now that the deal with Wuxiaworld has fallen through. If that is the case, then it adds a new dimension to the reasons behind their actions, but I am not privy to those conversations and can only speculate.

Qidian's post in the NovelUpdates Forum is not only insulting and unprofessional, it is flat-out libelous in many areas and we will pursue them for that in a court of law. Their claim that we 'privately approached the translators of Gravity' is a defamatory claim, designed to use Gravity's reputation as their cat's paw against Wuxiaworld in the public sphere; every single person who moved over from Gravity would tell you that we did not actively recruit any previous Gravity translators, and that they made a request of their own free will to join Wuxiaworld. You can ask them for yourselves.

Similarly, the claim that Wuxiaworld did not get 'permission' or give 'notification' to Qidian is also a defamatory statement, since Qidian has been aware of every single action we have taken. In fact, Qidian actually encouraged us to try and obtain more of Gravity's novels when they believed we would sign with them, which we declined because it was never our intention to 'go after' Gravity, nor have we ever tried to poach Gravity's translators. For them to publicly claim there was 'no notification' and then call our actions 'unacceptable' and 'out of business ethic' is libelous, and we will take appropriate legal action as necessary.

Their claims that we will 'send the twenty novels to them' veer uncomfortably in the area covered by NDA, and so I won't address that here and instead will respond privately. However, I believe there's a significant difference in how we are interpreting the contract vs how they are interpreting it, and unless we are specifically ordered by an arbitrator or a court of law to hand those translations over, we will not be doing so. They picked the wrong arena and the wrong person to fight. As for their request for us to take down the eleven 'unauthorized' translations, we will also fight them in any court of law on the grounds that we started these projects after they had given oral agreements for us to start them, and will demand compensation and damages from them if they wish for us to cease the translations.

The next few months might be a bit rocky, but I am comforted by knowing that we have not only an outstanding group of translators at Wuxiaworld, but also an outstanding group of fans that are so supportive, it attracted the attention of China's biggest publishers, for better or worse. I won't ask that you boycott their website (although that would be appreciated); this is our fight, not yours. But I do ask for your support as we carry through and deal with the issues raised today.

Thank you all, and may God bless

Ren
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I'll unlist all their translated novels. urgh
their site is sh1tty in the 1st place.

kgggdkp2012 · May 22, 2017

As far as I know China doesn't allow thier own countries company to be sued in thier court so good luck to you man I hope it goes your way

Archaic pickle · May 22, 2017

I hope that a agreement does get reached though...
#ISupportMagicalGirlRen

iamgboy08 · May 22, 2017

if only i can donate my money on NU then it's fine, but on second thought, id rather keep them. free is always good,. it tastes so much better than the ones you need to pay.,

Knowledge is power · May 22, 2017

Rwx... We all know how hard you've worked.... Pretty sure you have the support of all the readers, especially the freeloaders(me too ). Good luck mate!

Gatsu · May 22, 2017

@rwxwuxiaworld
it seems the snake has finally shown its fangs.
Don't worry Ben, we will always support wuxiaworld first!

Lisstr · May 22, 2017

I believe in you ren and wuxiaworld!

Did the qidian also say that they would never make us pay to read their novels? They are already going back on their words before it even started. Who knows what more they will take back

I hope you will keep us updated about what's happening. You have our support

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