Request Xianxia with harem where the girls are NOT doomed to disappear (aka MC Lovers Curse)

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  1. freemen muaddib

    freemen muaddib Member

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    I’m sick and tired.
    Being a girl in an Harem Xianxia is truly a misfortune! Why the moment a girl finally falls in love with the MC, suddenly something unfortunate does happen to her and she get separated from the MC for years or even centuries? No matter what, one of the following is doomed to happen to her:

    1) she is hurt, she falls ill or is cursed, and then she gets frozen for 1000 years waiting for a cure impossible to find...
    2) she suddenly recovers her previous incarnation memories becoming another person and forgetting about the MC...
    3) she is taken back by her clan or sect and imprisoned until the MC reaches god-like cultivation level and can be then considered worthy or being able to forcefully free her...
    4) her master reveals to her that her cultivation method requires her to stay a virgin forever or else she will die or loose all her cultivation, and forces her to leave the MC..
    5) she is poisoned with the MC by some aphrodisiac and she ends pregnant, and to avoid revealing it to him, she quitely disappears to rise the child alone in hides...
    6) she suddenly discovers that she is a goddess or some supreme being from a superior plane and she is only spending a short time in the current world as a tribulation life cycle, and she needs to suffer death or sever all her feelings to get back...
    7) she suddenly remembers to be the reincarnated soul of the MC worst enemy...
    8) a powerful master takes her as a disciple and makes her disappear for ages. Also when she came back the MC discovers that the cultivation methods imparted to her was a heartless one and requires her to sever all feelings for him...
    9) she is blackmailed by a powerful figure and he tells to her that for some reason to save the MC life she can only follow him far away leaving the MC...
    10) she dies, her soul is entrapped/preserved somewhere and the MC must spend the rest of the novel to find a method to free her soul and revive her...
    11) Some powerful figure erases all her memories of the MC for some stupid reason...
    12) Her grandfather come and reveals that she is a princess of a nation (or clan) and that she was betrothed to an evil prince from some powerful country (or clan) to avoid a bloody war, and she needs to came back and marry him to save her people and guarantee the peace...

    Why??? Are there ANY harem xianxia novels where the girls are not doomed to disappear for some reason but they stay with the MC and fight with him? Please tell if you know...
     
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  2. Zeusomega

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    12) She's left behind in the lower realm when mc ascends..


    suggestion - zi tian ji.
     
  3. Artistisk

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    Legend of LingTian is the only thing that pops on my mind.
     
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    freemen muaddib Member

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    Yes! That happens too!!!
    And also the opposite happens:
    14) She ascends to an higher realm and the MC is left behind

    If I remember correctly Ze Tian Ji is not without such flaw.. to be more specific:
    Luo Luo gets her memories of the MC erased by a goddess so that she would not suffer for love...
     
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    Think about what happens if the lady DOESN'T leave. At that point she's basically become a secondary MC and most Xianxia follow the path of loner MC wandering the heavens. Even non-harem Xianxia usually come up with an excuse to ditch the love interest with the MC's only long term companions being magical beasts or other entities that spend entire arcs sleeping. Having a partner will change the dynamic of the story as well - if you're going to have a couple adventuring together its better to have that start early in the story or else you risk the readers leaving (and the readers who'd like to read about the adventuring couple not slogging through the hundreds of solo chapters to get there). Light novels in general tend to overly focus on the MC at the expense of under-developing the other characters. :/

    All of that said, let's talk about the additional issues that arise when it's a harem Xianxia. JP isekai's keep the ladies with the MC, usually maintaining what I'd call the "artificial harem state" by having the MC be too dense/indecisive to move forward with any of the women surrounding them. It's the initial stages of attraction repeated over and over again with every relationship stalled indefinitely at/near the starting line. I could go more into how this effects the characters and story, but lets move on to Xianxia:

    Xianxia MCs usually aren't dense enough, nor indecisive enough, for their relationships to be stalled like that. If the woman stuck around they likely *would* progress the relationship. This would not only prevent a harem from forming in the first place**, but would require the author actually write a deeper long-term relationship interpersonal issues and all. That's quite different from writing "why is my chest hot?" x7.

    **Both because the lover is there when #2 is snooping around, and also because deepening the relationship would make the MC rightfully look like even more of a terrible person for cheating. It'd also flesh out #1 enough that it'd be harder to overlook her suddenly being okay with #2. I don't like claiming plot quirk XYZ is "unrealistic" as there are all kinds of people.. but seriously, check out the novels marketed towards women and tell me which one involves happily being in a harem. On the contrary, such novels tend to take the concept of "exclusively loving the FMC" and exaggerate it to a terrifying extent, creating MLs that brutally slaughter anyone that isn't the FMC at the drop of a hat. "Reverse harems" usually involve the the MLs trying to kill off their competitors or otherwise monopolize the FMC because she's their entire world and no one else can have her! Historical works sometimes have the FMC in a harem, but its portrayed as a challenge to be defeated / dominated / escaped from.
     
  6. freemen muaddib

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    I’ve read your analysis and I found it enlightening. But still, there are at least two xianxia novels that addressed this problem with a certain degree of success:

    - “Ancient Strenghtening Technique” by I Am Superfluous : Each new girl is conquered and then brought back to the clan as a wife, and the hero can go on to the next adventure while his wives are left home to rise babies with his family. We can call this the “Harem At Home (HATH)” approach. (link)

    -Womanizing Mage” by Heaven Is Not Lonely : Each girl is conquered and left in her own home as a fiancee. The hero can go on to the next adventure and then periodically visiting each girl and solving a quest in her turf (either helping her or her city/clan/country..). We can call this the “Spread Out Harem (SOH)” approach. (link)

    Yes, those two novels have unsatisfying endings, but while the story is not strong, the romance/harem part works PERFECTLY. As far as I know, those two are the only xianxia that solved the “wandering harem” issue with a solution that is both not too hateful (i.e. the “MC Lovers Curse (MCLC)” approach discussed in the OP) and not too unrealistic (i.e. the “Harem In The Pocket (HITP)” approach of Long Live Summons).

    So the question remains: both the above good solutions are almost never used (especially the SOH approach, my favourite), while the hateful MCLC approach is used/abused in 90% of the Xianxia... why?? Are xianxia readers masochists, or xianxia authors sadists??!
     
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    Well, idk about Xianxia, but if you wanted a harem Xuanhuan novel where the MC and lovers stay together, then Pocket Hunting Dimension works. As for Xianxias in particular, it's a cheap way to create tension/drama and give the MC a reason to go to the next realm quickly I guess.
     
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    Of course xuanhuan novels are affected by the same issue. Pocket Hunting Dimension, right? I’ll check it out, thanks!
     
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    NP, in fact, these are my favorite type of novels too, the kinds where the harem is relevant, but in most of these cases, the powerups they get feel like bullshit since the MC has to work 20x as hard in order to get the same amount of materials handed out to the girls in order to keep them relevant. The MC is supposed to be a paragon quite often, so they have to be the most talented while being the most hard working. Only better resources can cause other people to keep up with them.
     
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    This is by far the worst novel I ever read, the MC is epitome of thrash, he'll ask s*x for virgin girls for saving them. I really regret that I read this bullsh*t.
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    Tbh I think you are wanting something that's never going to happen. To be the MC is the same as being someone extraordinary, you must be unique, so that almost no people can match you in fights/cultivation/will - that's what we expect from a MC. So, how can you also expect a mc to have wives that can actually help him? You can ask for novels with a single woman that really is going to fight along with the MC, but in an harem? I doubt that this exists.

    This is one of the reasons I hate harem, they are only in the novel to make the same plots and to disturb the MC. ATG is the perfect example, so many plots about his wives and I don't know how ppl endure that bullsh*t about: I love all my girls with my entire heart and i'm willing to die for them. I feel so bad that almost all novels with harem are destroyed by that *sigh*
     
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    Isnt if because its chinese "culture", a woman there is treated as an object most of the time. Even more, any unmarried women older than 25 are called "Leftover" and im not kidding. For the chinese, women are only important for babies, but some may disagree.
     
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    MC lovers and friends are separated from him/her to allow the MC to grow on their own. Many of the opportunities he/she comes across are either specifically made for the MC or there is only a single person's portion left.
     
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    o.o; Dropped this novel, I can't remember how many wives he has. Iirc he has more than 10 wives.
     
  14. Dewux

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    MGA is the epitome of the MCLC approach for them being gone for over 4000 chapters with occasional news to their journeys...