Discussion I hate novels where everything goes the mc's way and gets everything handed to him.

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  1. Wujigege

    Wujigege *Christian *Pragmatist*NTR Sect *Generous Miser

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    How is the loli situation in it? Read the first few chapters and I am dreading the romance in the future
    Although I could skip all the romance scenes
     
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    scribbledoutname Well-Known Member

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    No loli romance, at least not where the story is atm. Not a huge spoiler, but:
    There's a young girl who the MC initially takes to be a boy (I think that's who you mean?), but they quickly separate with the intention of meeting up ten years down the line. At the current point in the story it's already been some years since they last saw each other. I'm sure there's something there but it definitely won't be a loli romance by the time it picks up ^^
     
  3. Wujigege

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    Yeah I have read up to that point. What chapter was it again that he met that person?
     
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    arrogantyoungmaster 20 Nuf = 1 face slap to make your day better

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    Then support @arrogantyoungmaster by donating him nuffies he s crippled once he's cured he will get fucked again beat those mcs(y)
     
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    Chapter 9 :LOL:
     
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    Strangely enough i forgot about this one...but it's understandable considering how everything in that novel is pretty much against the MC i even started to wonder if the author had abusive tendencies...................good times....NOPE.
     
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    Indeed, I hate it when my victims start gaining powerful abilities and powers just as I am about to corner them.
    Like my arch-rival suddenly gets word of where I am bullying the protagonist and just appears out of thin air, then the protagonist is able to escape that way.

    so many coincidences it's like they are the blessed sons of heaven or something, but that makes no sense since usually, they are trying to fight against the heavens! (or sealing it, or ruling it, or trying to destroy it.)
     
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    Sry but can I just say, the MC in Ze Tian Ji is one of the luckiest MCs out there?

    Tons of plot armor, everything gets handed too him, it's almost disgusting.

    'hurr durr i know everything there is too know cus i read a few books'
    'hurr durr at age 15 i am a medical god that can heal and analyse things specialists and powerful people 1000 years old cannot within a few minutes'
    'hurr durr i smell good so powerful gals become my friend with ease'
    'hurr durr i becom yungest in history too break through too X level and started cultivating just months ago, and break through in the middle of a fight, when for others it's a life/death situation'
    'hurr durr i learn, comprehend and can use genius level skills within days just because'
    'hurr durr i should have died so many times, but i get given dragon blood, and get helped by powerful elders'
    'hurr durr i get an item randomly, and it just so happens that this item will result in me encountering OP treasures a hundred chapters later'
    'hurr durr i can calculate what will happen in battles 100 steps ahead of u'
    'hurr durr im nobody, but everybody in the country keeps talking about me, and there's always a crowd around me discussing what i do'
    'hurr durr im nobody, but at successor too the pope and a central figure of entire world at 15'

    'hurr durr all this and more, i do within 1 year. but little old me is so unfortunate and unlucky :((('

    the romance sucks and is forced too. Most overrated novel I ever wasted time on.
     
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  9. Wujigege

    Wujigege *Christian *Pragmatist*NTR Sect *Generous Miser

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    You know that without plot armor that every MC will die right?
    The point of this thread is that some novels have characters that encounter zero difficult. It is essentially a slice of life story disguised as an action adventure.
    You might not appreciate ZTJ and I personally dropped it but you validated it , since the MC had a short time to live. There is actual tension. A sense of urgency.
    It is not finding treasure every 10 chapters or slapping a young master every 10 chapters or adding a new harem member every 10 chapters
     
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    All I'll say is that the tension, like the drama is forced. All the 'drama' is political bs that nobody really cares about, and there's no real meaning behind it, nothing really matters .

    The only real thing that builds tension, as you say, is his death at 20 bs, but he's the MC so he's obviously not going too die. Everything is just random meaningless arcs, until some external person will do something and heal his illness.

    He'll already be protected by OP ppl soon and have been gifted enough shit that he can fight people higher realm than him. The so called enemies like Demons are disposable trash compared to the humans, and pretty much ignorable in terms of 'threat' potential.

    U can read hundreds of bs lengthy chapters and nothing will have happened in the grand scheme of things, and he'll still be a virgin too.

    Within 500 chapters in other novels, the MC would have already fought of countless clans, rescued countless babes, explored multiple countries/realms.

    Meanwhile in ZTJ.. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzz
     
  11. Wujigege

    Wujigege *Christian *Pragmatist*NTR Sect *Generous Miser

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    Well you proved your own point. You want a fast paced and let's be honest generic story. Without any time to develop characters.
    It is your preference but it does not make ZTJ a bad story.
    Politics are necessary, stories who ignore it are lazy stories.
    The stories you prefer are not respected even in China. They are considered fastfood. Mental masturbation is the direct translation of the genre.
    I repeat I don't fault your tastes or opinion but a story different from YY novels is usually the norm and not the eexception.
     
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    I'll ignore the rest of what u said cus it's just garbage, but I will say.

    The character development is non-existent as well.

    From chapter 1-600+, the MC will not have changed at all. That's because he is an all knowing, all seeing genius, and any situations he encounters where he might have too change and consider alternative ways of doing things, there'll be plot armor bs that prevents that from happening.

    His friends won't have changed.
    He has no real characterised enemies as well, so there's no change there.
    All the girls personalities don't change as well.

    Not sure if you've read far into it, but if you have, you'll have too point out situations where this 'character development' occurred.

    The novel is garbage, and only suits sappy ppl who feel pity for the guy cus he has an illness.
     
  13. Wujigege

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    I read till around 300 chapters, there is a lot of character development and things are not as they seem
    Also as with most male authors, I never had much confidence in romance
    Personally, if you can't see the good parts of the stories I recommend taking a break from novels for a few months
    You might just be in a slump like I was a while ago
     
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    While I do think there are a lot of stories that just gives the mc free stuff for stupidly illogical reasons I don't think a character overcoming everything with "his own talent" is any better, talent has become an empty word thrown around almost at random, and if it really is enough to solve everything in the end then that is almost like starting the story with a deus ex machina.
    What I don't like about weak-to-strong stories in general is that the power growth often seem to be the sole motivation for the plot, everything just seem to serve as excuses to have the mc beat up increasingly powerful enemies rather than as a logical consequence of events.
     
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    That does sound boring, but some people prefer that type of escape novel. I would read it for the fun, but I wouldn't consider it better than a novel filled with hardship.
     
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    My bad. Then... I guess there are no good chinese web novels LOL.
     
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    but doesn't. if really happens get resurrected by some other plot Armour.
     
  18. HirotaNatsuki

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    I hate it when the mc is op af, but sometimes it can be funny, like One punch man. You should read Re:zero or watch the anime. Re;zero is the definition of a really under powered character.
     
  19. HirotaNatsuki

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    Start at Arc 3's interludes. It's at the top of [Table Of Contents]
    Be warned, that our Rem Waifu dies. But, it's a high chance of her being revived, somehow. It could either be, them killing the authority of sloth guy, or making Emilia- tan princess/queen and getting access to the dragon they made (Kingdom) a pact with. Also, the webnovel will probably never be updated in japan. But the author, Tappei is working on the LN, which is being translated by yen press. I would've preferred the light novel as it's shorter, but I don't have any money . The translation quality is pretty good.
     
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    Chinese web/novels always have the most powerful mc's. And they're always over 100000000000000000000 chapters long. Hence I wouldn't read them, unless you find a good one.