Seven Sins - Lust in Translation

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... I'll see if I can finish this up before I have to head out.

Pope Gregory I is probably my favorite pope of all time. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that without him, none of the songs you know and love would exist - he's that important to the history of music. But one of the things that bothers me about him is his work on the seven deadly sins.

The origin of the seven deadly sins comes from the eight "evil thoughts", written in Greek. They were translated to Latin by monks, and Gregory changed them a bit and encouraged his revised list to be taught to help everyone avoid sin. Sounds good to me! There are just a few problems: for one, they were originally written by and for monks, people who have left society in order to peacefully worship. For another, calliing them sins makes it something you get punished for if you get caught. Originally, they were just mental demons to be avoided or defeated because they got in the way of contentment; now they're evil acts. And also, as time went on...

Some of the meanings have changed a lot since the 4th century monk wrote his list, haven't they?

1) Gluttony (greek gastrimargia, latin gula). Well, over-eating is a concept in any culture, huh? As an evil thought, it makes sense - it's hard to stay at peace and pray whole-heartedly when you have a craving for french fries. As a sin... it makes sense if it's about eating too much, but the seven deadly sins aren't really about action, they're about thoughts and emotions. So when Oliver Twist asked for seconds at the orphanage after getting served his gruel, that was a sin of gluttony and he's going to heeeeeell for it.

2) Lust (greek porneia, latin luxuria). Originally, it meant "pornography" or maybe "prostitution". HMMM. As an evil thought, it makes sense - it can take over your life if you let it. In fact, there's a very NSFW song/video by daoko about that called ME!ME!ME! I couldn't easily find a version with both video and lyrics, so I won't post it, but it's really good. *cough* Anyway, it went from "being obsessed with sex keeps you from being content so you can focus on prayer" to "feeling desire at all is bad". If I've already sinned just by having hormones, I might as sin some more... or so it goes.

3) Greed (greek philargyria, latin avaritia). The meaning is still pretty much the same, it's just... it's too easy to call people greedy if they want anything more than what they have right now. It's become almost meaningless at this point. Wanting more is one of the prime motivators in life. Greed as an evil thought, yes, it makes perfect sense - when you start thinking about things you don't have, it's hard to be content, and it can lead you to daydreaming or hurting others if you can't come up with a good way of getting it. As a sin, it can work, if you're very careful defining it - not wanting to give up anything when you need to, or trying to get too much all at once, it's good to avoid those. But mostly, "greed" is what I call it when other people want to take things from me or don't want to give things that I want to me. Or maybe that's me being greedy, but I guess the winner gets to decide that.

4) Pride (greek hyperēphania/kenodoxia, latin superbia). But pride is a good thing! Seriously, it's a good thing! Pride makes people do their best, work hard to improve themselves, it lets them feel good about doing good... but the original greek term kenodoxia was more about empty boasting or over-estimating yourself. And the term hyperēphania is more about arrogance. Which is actually an appropriate evil thought, since thinking you're better than you actually are leads to procrastination or attempting projects that you have no chance of succeeding in. I mean, it's not bad to try hard tasks, but if you go into it thinking they'll be easy... And arrogance is about ignoring other people's thoughts and feelings. Anyway, it's the weirdest sin as of today because people who boast and overestimate what they can do often end up with wealth and power, don't they? I wonder how they try to teach kids to avoid the sin of Pride. "Don't try to be like the rich, powerful, and famous people! Because... because..."

5) Sloth (greek lypē/akēdia, latin tristitia/acedia). Sloths are cute, aren't they? Wait, no, the sin. Don't be lazy! Laziness is bad! *looks up the actual meanings of the words* O-oh... it's not actually about laziness at all... lypē/tristitia are... sadness. Which is a powerful evil thought, honestly, it's hard to escape from sad thoughts. Sad thoughts become depression, which can lead to all sorts of bad things, so it's a Good Idea to learn to recognize those sad thoughts and deal with them before it gets worse. akēdia/acedia is actually carelessness or negligence... Okay, I can see the laziness connection. As an evil thought, it's actually not thinking at all when you should. You can be working extremely hard, but if you cut corners in order to get the job done faster, that's Sloth. Which is... entirely different from what you'll see in anime, manga, or light novels. Even the Lazy King is more of a Pride type, honestly - he doesn't act sloppy or careless in any way; he just does what he enjoys to the utmost, and shows an utter lack of regard for others (arrogance). As a sin... I can see why Gregory took out the Sadness part, yeah, suicide being a sin would be meaningless if being suicidally depressed is also sinful. Laziness being a sin is good, but most people see it as "lack of action" rather than "not planning their actions".
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I'll stop here for now, it's time to leave. I'll do a part 2 eventually. I might even edit this post to have pictures later~ :blobsleeping:

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    1. AliceShiki Mar 28, 2018
      @Fluffums Oh, I see!

      Well, I'll look forward to the next one then! ^^)/

      And I agree! Most religions are pretty beautiful! Churches that distort the religion's meaning and believers that do the exact opposite of what they should are what should be bashed instead! >.<
    2. Fluffums Mar 28, 2018
      @AliceShiki
      Just wordplay "lost in translation" -> "lust in translation". I'll try and tie it all together when I finish it up. Which is after my R-18 post. Which I won't get to today. :sweating_profusely: Was up a bit too late last night.

      @Vyren
      It's better to think of them as temptations. But I'll talk a little more about what sins are next time. I forgot to define it first. :blobwoah: Re: bashing religions... please don't! Bash individuals who claim to follow a religion but go against everything the religion stands for. Bash churches that prey upon their worshippers. But don't bash the religions - there's usually a lot of good messages in any of the major religions, even if you don't believe in them.

      And yeah, the term "monk" is originally Christian. Monks live in monasteries after giving up their previous lives and dedicating themselves to God. You probably know the term "Nun", right? It's the same exact thing, different names for different genders. When we found out about buddhist religious ascetics, we just called them monks because they're pretty much the same exact thing (just different vows, and not even that different).
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    3. AMissingLinguist Mar 28, 2018
      I have nothing witty to say. Orz. Nice title.
    4. AliceShiki Mar 27, 2018
      @Vyren ... I have no idea!!!! \(^^)/

      Maybe those were the priests of the temples for the greek gods? I dunno! >.<
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    5. Vyren Mar 27, 2018
      @AliceShiki I see, but I don't recall monks living anywhere else except east so it makes me wonder why they would translate a Greek verse unless 'monks' in this case were actually scholars who borrowed the name. Actually, monks in general are confusing to me. I know they existed somewhere in china but their relevance seems to be minimal. I kind of feel like I don't know what i'm talking about anymore since I don't know that type of specific history but regardless the original meanings of the 7(8?) sins aren't really used anymore.
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    6. AliceShiki Mar 27, 2018
      @Vyren They seem to come from Greece, which probably had little influence on China I'd guess, so... Not much of a cultural reference for CN novels I think?
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    7. Vyren Mar 27, 2018
      Your post makes me want to grill into the christian religion so hard but i'll stop before I start since I don't want to start a holy war down here.

      As for your post, it was quite enlightening... Despite you being a R-18 novel reviewer...

      So rather than 7 deadly sins, it's more correct to call them the 7 deadly temptations. I'm starting to wonder why CN novels never even mentions these despite the numerous number of Buddhist terminology they take.
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    8. AliceShiki Mar 27, 2018
      *looks forward to part 2*

      Though I wonder what was the whole point of it... So far I have no idea! xD

      I mean, you talked about the sins, but what does that have to do with lust!? >.<

      Well, I'll wait for the next part! ^^)/