Comments on Profile Post by Westeller

  1. Westeller
    Westeller
    (Not that pornography is fundamentally immoral. This is a tangent, not a direct reply. The morality of porn is definitely fleeting.)
    May 22, 2019
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  2. Miserys_End
    Miserys_End
    Was never much Into philosophy, but i can't help but wonder how true it is that those base modalities wouldnt change, with even a small shift in the collective consensus of a world.
    May 22, 2019
  3. Westeller
    Westeller
    Consensus mostly comes down to justification. We can all agree - at least for the moment - that there are times when murder is justified. In self defense, for example. In defense of others. In defense of ideals, perhaps. But while we can justify it, while we can agree that no wrong was done, that consensus won't change reality. Murder is fundamentally wrong, and always will be, regardless of consensus.
    May 22, 2019
  4. Westeller
    Westeller
    I suppose what I'm trying to say is that justification can outweigh fundamental wrongs. It just doesn't make them less fundamentally wrong.
    May 22, 2019
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  5. Miserys_End
    Miserys_End
    And for the most part I agree. I'm just saying that we are the ones who have defined what is and is not moral, so it stands to reason that those morals can be changed if a great enough consensus agrees.
    May 22, 2019
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  6. Westeller
    Westeller
    And I'm saying the core of morality is more fundamental than that. The whole world can collectively agree the sky looks a wee bit more red than blue and it won't make it so. At least not for most of the day.
    May 22, 2019
  7. Westeller
    Westeller
    Err. We can build our society around ritual combat to the death and socially perceive killing your opponent as perfectly normal and expected behavior. But some people at least, (literally everyone, barring physiological flaws, I'd like to believe), are going to feel like they've done something wrong when they do. Because they have. And it's that simple.
    May 22, 2019
  8. Westeller
    Westeller
    Ofc, I'm not saying that'd be their predominant feeling or that they wouldn't brush that aside fairly quickly. In a society like that, they probably would. It'd be a rare, rare person who took that feeling and ran with it.
    May 22, 2019
  9. Miserys_End
    Miserys_End
    Think that's where we will have to agree to disagree. I have a hard time believing that a culture based on might equates right would have the same base morals as those of a more diplomatic culture or those that were wholly pacifistic.
    May 22, 2019
  10. Miserys_End
    Miserys_End
    From my viewpoint, morals are like a newtonian fluid, in some instances solid, while in others they can every bit as free flowing as tap water. It all depends on the forces exerted on it.
    --edit--
    Whoops! That should be non-Newtonian fluids....
    May 22, 2019
  11. SummerForest
    SummerForest
    Imo there's some basic morals pre-programmed into human psyche. Propensity towards non-violence and protecting the weak are foremost among them. A human society may lean towards might and violence in certain circumstances, but it will come out of it eventually. What are morals? Nothing, but some basic codes that will help keeping humans together in a coherent social structure.
    May 23, 2019
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  12. SummerForest
    SummerForest
    Any of you ever saw the scene of public execution in A Tale of Two Cities? There are times when such things become common in a society, but eventually it comes out of it.
    May 23, 2019
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