Spoiler About Ascendance of a Bookworm

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  1. TsukiSetsu

    TsukiSetsu Well-Known Member

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    It's really weird that Maine and Ferdinand would end up together due to their age difference, did they have feeling for each other? I was surprise that Ferdinand is the antagonist in part 2?
     
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    the antagonist is the temple head.
    ferdinand is the high priest; he reports to the temple head.

    maine views ferdinand as necessary evil. he is evil because he gives her chores that greatly reduce her reading time.

    book 2 is wrapped up by the temple head's downfall
     
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    How did Maine and Ferdinand agree to married to each other? I kinda want to know more about their relationship and feeling between each other.
     
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    I am not sure if they do have romantic feelings for each other. In the eyes of people from that time her care and protection to Ferdinards is regarded as loving affection.

    But in modern times its like a really close family friend, you don't want to see them harmed, don't mind living under the same roof but not romantically involved nor marriage.

    The marriage is sort of political, there will be many other young lords who would propose. Having Ferdinards reign in Maine would be the safest option for all.
     
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    I'm not sure exactly how they're getting translated, but you've got the Temple Head and the Head Priest who are often at odds with each other. Temple Head is the antagonist in part 2, Ferdinand the Head Priest is the main love interest.

    It'd take a long time to explain everything since in a way the whole series is the story of their romance.

    To put it simply, Ferdinand was in charge of educating her at the temple in part 2. At first he thought she was kind of weird and irritating, but when she was put in danger he was surprised to find that he was genuinely concerned for her, something rare since he's usually quite grumpy and relatively cold-hearted.

    They built up a good working relationship where she'd do something crazy, he'd make her plans work while scolding her, etc. He also saved her life several times, rushing to her rescue and acting as her personal physician when she was sick.

    Eventually he wound up in an engagement in the neighboring territory he really didn't want for a lot of reasons, and Maine was very upset about how nobody was considering his feelings.

    In the climax a lot of stuff happened, including Maine saving his life and the two of them essentially taking over the territory.

    From there their marriage was half one of convenience, half Ferdinand's scheme. He basically proposed to Maine not that they get married specifially so much as "Hey, wanna just take this territory? You can build a huge library and I can build a connected research lab". They both wanted the other in their lives, even if there was no romantic feelings (or at least, that's what Maine said).

    That being said, in the later bits of the story Ferdinand is quite possessive of Maine, making jealous moves towards others who had eyes for her at one point or another and giving her flashy jewelry with protective charms to basically say "Hands off". He does say that part of it is that he was jealous of Maine's loving family, having had a terrible family situation himself, and that he wanted to have a part of that. However, it's quite obvious he developed deep romantic feelings for her at some point as well.

    On Maine's part, until the very end she insists she doesn't really understand love and doesn't think she has any romantic feelings for Ferdinand, thinking of him more like family or a generic precious person. However, it's pretty obvious to Ferdinand, her friends, her family, and the reader that she's just still in a state where she hasn't realized it yet.
     
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    Thank you!!!!
     
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    started from end of apr, i've finally finished reading the mtl'ed web novel last friday.
    these are what i perceived from the gibberish that google translate churns out:

    nothing? i should be reading all sequentially, but there was no back story to the pairing. it just came up suddenly during the epilogue.
    how lutz sees maine has never been stated explicitly
    meanwhile tully has jumped to conclusion that maine_x_ferdinand has been set in stone and she has spread that (her family, lutz and benno are in the know). the circumstance: maine's school mate (that loves romance story) came to visit and she wanted to order a hairpin. tully as the exclusive vendor was invited to accept the order. during the meeting ... girl talk

    - he still see her as a runaway train and actually relieved that ferdinand can put a break on her.

    - he holds a special place in her heart (as her 1st confidant) but later on she'd have many more; e.g: fran, ferdinand, damuel (her 1st escort knight).
    - she can't picture herself as his wife -- she realized that she's not a commoner's wife material. she loathes needlework. she did when she must (early hairpin arc), but she was more than happy to delegate to eva and tully
    - the vast difference in magical power means that they can't bear a child

    - she holds him dear (as part of family). when she was forced to royal adoption, one of her demands was better treatment for ferdinand (that was "abused" in neighboring province). it was an outrageous demand and it brings no benefit to her at all, but she did it because she genuinely care about him.
    - with her merchant's mindset (cost vs benefit analysis) she considers him the best husband candidate in multiple occasions.

    (background) the country has been degrading for years because the ruling monarch is not acknowledged by the gods. there would be 3 candidates, but due to ferdinand's plot maine is the leading one; yet maine has repeatedly stated that she has no desire to be one.
    the god gave her immense power and selectively wiped her memory to ease her into the throne.
    wiped memory includes:
    1. her ptsd trauma - she can't handle magic stone. it would be revealed in book 2 that killing a magical beast would yield magic stone as crystalization of its magic. in the last book she would fight a recurring villain that killed a guy in front of her to absorb his magic stone.
    2. her ties to the commoners (gunther, eva, tully, lutz). she still remembered benno.

    ferdinand would allow maine to view his memory to bring maine's memory back
    it would be revealed that ferdinand envies commoners' familial bond; first from main's family then later from lutz' family. in contrast to the cold & calculative aristrocacy, commoners's love is unconditional; one cares for the sake of caring, without expecting anything in return.

    ferdinand thought that maine loves lutz and wants to be his wife
    - throughout the story, maine has much more interactions with lutz than with her immediate family. but those are circumstantial. once tully has learned decent noble etiquette the sisters would have more time to meet.
    in the end ferdinand visits gunther's new home and the latter accept the former as son-in-law in commoners' term.

    throughout the story, ferdinand gives maine plenty of medicines and amulets - the ingredients of which are expensive and rare to find (as maine would know much later after ferdinand has moved out of the picture)
    there's no lust/eros in their relation, but agape is the common bond between them.

    i was a bit discouraged when reading about main_x_ferdinand that seems to follow raise your wife trope, but in the end i'm quite satisfied that i plowed through with this.
    the engagement vow that they exchange to each other were a nice touch.
    i'll definitely re-read this on proper translation to get better immersion to the whole tale.
     
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    It sounds like you got the general gist from the MTL well enough. To clarify a couple points that were slightly off:

    The mystery involving the special book that's the right of the king is a driving force throughout the story, the three "candidates" are just the only ones who have some form of the book following the last battle.

    However, the gods didn't wipe Maine's memory to ease her into the throne, nor did they purposefully give her power. The gods don't care who's king or what that king does or if they're king legally, they just need someone to be king in the magic sense and charge all the national magic devices.

    Maine blocked the attack of one god, Ervelmin(?), and with a cloak that absorbed magic. She got too much and was going to explode, and wound up channeling it into a prayer. That called down Mestionora, the goddess of wisdom, who looks just like Maine for reasons unknown. She borrowed Maine's body to intervene, sending Maine's soul to her library in the meantime. The one rule she laid down was for everyone to resolve things without bloodshed, even she didn't care who the next king was. Maine then was left with the remnants of the goddess's power after she left her body due to her disease, which makes it very easy for her magic to be dyed another color.

    Mestionora wiped Maine's memory to force Maine to lend her her body, because Maine was hesitant about doing so at first. What she did was she cut Maine's connection to her memories of anything she was more attached to than reading, namely her family and Lutz. (She apparently likes books more than Benno.) That way she would be guaranteed to place the offer to go to her library over any ties she had to the physical world. It's unclear why Ferdinand wouldn't be erased as well considering how close they were, but it's possible that she reconnected that memory because she needed Ferdinand to yell at Maine to get her to come out of the library again.

    I don't know if they give an exact reason why, but very negative memories were also wiped at the same time. I guess to make her happy and content? This included her PTSD. It came back with her memories, but less severe. To clarify on her PTSD: it wasn't from one recurring enemy in particular. All the enemies in the last war used a poison that caused people with magic to instantly turn into magic stones, which they would take back and use to power their magic-poor country. She saw a lot of people die this way, including some right in front of her as she was talking to them. There was also one other villain who did a thing that made him gradually turn into a living magic stone so he could absorb magic, and it kind of overlapped.

    This would probably be difficult to come across in a MTL. We only really see Ferdinand's feelings from Maine's perspective, and Maine is incredibly thick-headed and slow to pick up on stuff. There are a lot of things in his actions showing how much he not only cares for her, but is incredibly possessive. Stuff like in their meeting with the royal family while Maine is charged with God Power, he lords it over her former suitor that not only was his gift of proposal returned, she didn't even realize he was trying to propose to her, and on top of that it dissolved in her hands because it couldn't withstand her magic power, while the stuff Ferdidnand gave her could, showing that his magic had a much higher compatibility with hers.

    It's little stuff like that that Maine makes pretty much no mention of in her narration because she doesn't realize anything, but that comes out if you read even a little bit between the lines. Fanartists on Pixiv went crazy with that sort of stuff.
     
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    untrue.
    Ervelmin(?) favors the 3rd candidate - the usurper from neighboring kingdom.
    the 3 candidates stood in front of said god when ferdinand shot the usurper.
    in return the god tried to shoot ferdinand - the attack was blocked by maine. the rest of events go according to your description.
    the goddess of wisdom interfered and set a fair competition.

    the actual competition became unfair because (again) ferdinand attacked the usurper, and he gave up the race -- leaving maine as the only participant.

    the recurring enemy is mattias' father. the one who poisoned maine when she was 9 (8 in her rosemain' persona) - causing her to hibernate for 2 years.
    during that eventful battle, he spread the poison around and knights left and right turned to stones. but at this point maine could still operate her red panda.
    her repulsion started when he was revealed to have part of his body replaced by magic stones. the breaking point was when he was backed into the corner, he punctured the temporary giebe's heart to extract and consume the magic stone.

    during the ptsd period she never materialize her red panda.

    some info for others:
    aristocracy school consists of 2 stages: the first 2 are common while starting from the 3rd year each student can choose 1 or more electives. they are:
    - lord candidate (reserved to lords' children)
    - knight
    - side (lord's personal assistant)
    - civil officer (general civil/clerical work and r&d department)
    maine enrolls in lord candidate and civil officer. she is keen on researching magical tools that help her manage her library. a rune engraved within the book such that it would automatically return when the lease period expires. long distance teleportation portal to transports new books from printing press directly to the library, catalog system and so on.
    ferdinand at least enrolled in knight as well and exceled in all.

    mattias is maine's knight. he has sworn to her. the name dedication actually means that when maine dies, mattias would die as well.
    mattias' father is a civil officer. he is part of the faction that wants to topple rosemaine's adoptive father (gilvester) from the seat of power.
    the strongest fighting force within gilvester's faction is bonaficius? -- rosemaine's "grandfather". rosemaine's "father" is gilvester's head knight.
    back to mattias' father - with his expertise he transformed himself into a living weapon with the main purpose to beat bonaficius in battle
     
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    I think the end pairing is understandable, WHY?
    Please consider how OLD Maine actually is, she was twenty two mentally at the start of the story so she is actually in her late twenties by the end of the story. By no means she is mentally to young to be courted by the end guy.
     
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    Thank you for all the spoilerrs.

    Too bad, thmanga scanlation stopped and translation is slow. I do love this story, despite how egoist this child, and so spoiled, but it's a change of pace in reading for once, so dont mind it too much.

    Can I ask questions?
    I dont know if people still read and will reply this, but I cant help it >_< I wanna know~~~

    How many arc is in this story? I saw manga raw of arc 3, and it seems very serious. I only knew, it already resolves around kingdom, king and queen, then she blesses the people with her power or something. Correct me if I'm wrong.
    But I read here, after arc 3, there's another arc of mahou shoujo/magic school?

    I see the WN is completed with 677 chapters, while LN is still on going?
    Does the author write new arc for LN or LN just hasnt finished all stories in WN?

    And Main marries Ferdinand, is that at the end of final arc? How old is she at that time?
    All I saw from novel cover (in google), is Main in her child form. Is her body cannot grow normally?
     
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    wait, so she grows? physically?

    am sorry, was this a reply to my question? I do remember I asked something here, but now that I went to this thread again, I couldnt find it and I didnt receive notification, but reading your post and the date, I concluded it's a reply to my question. If yes, thank you.
     
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    i can't answer in terms of arcs, but in terms of parts there are 5
    raw link: http://ncode.syosetu.com/n4830bu/
    Part 1: The daughter of a soldier
    Part 2: Temple Maiden apprentice
    Part 3: Adoption of the lord
    Part 4: Self-proclaimed book committee member of the noble house
    Part 5: Incarnation of the goddess

    she already became mahou shoujo in part #2 - in tornbay? extermination arc.
    at this point she'd get her 1st loyal knight and planted the seed for her enemies.

    the magic school arcs started from part #3.
    at this point myne "died" and rosemain was "born" as a noble daughter

    the blessings would be in part #5.

    volume 18 (mar 2019) talks about part #4; so it's the latter.

    instead of marrying, they got engaged.
    her rosemain personality is a year younger than her myne personality.
    noble children attend the school from 8 yo. the story culminates at the end of her 3rd year.
    she would stay dormant/sleeping for a year due to poisoning.

    her body would grow, albeit at slower pace than normal people.
    we know/guess the reason for her stunted growth.
    ferdinand has prepared a procedure to regulate her mana, but in part #3 someone tried to kill her with poison. the procedure could eliminate the poison, but she would slept for a whole year and kept her body frail.
    later on she perform 2nd procedure.
    she is still small for her age, but not frozen to kindergarten body
     
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    Who is he that would get his first knight?

    [/SPOILER]


    volume 18 (mar 2019) talks about part #4; so it's the latter.


    instead of marrying, they got engaged.
    her rosemain personality is a year younger than her myne personality.
    noble children attend the school from 8 yo. the story culminates at the end of her 3rd year.
    she would stay dormant/sleeping for a year due to poisoning.

    her body would grow, albeit at slower pace than normal people.
    we know/guess the reason for her stunted growth.
    ferdinand has prepared a procedure to regulate her mana, but in part #3 someone tried to kill her with poison. the procedure could eliminate the poison, but she would slept for a whole year and kept her body frail.
    later on she perform 2nd procedure.
    she is still small for her age, but not frozen to kindergarten body
    [/QUOTE]
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    Thank you so much. Finallly, I get it ^^
    And I see there's baby brother from the raw. Seeing her family really tear me up. Seem she only cries with or for them.
     
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    can't believe i made such a mistake --> he should be she (myne)
     
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    To add some more details if you want:

    In Part 3 she gets adopted by the lord of Ehrenfest, the town/duchy she lives in. It also involves "laundering" her identity by saying she's an illegitimate daughter of the head of the knights, and adjusting her age to say she's a year younger. So she gets two new families, a new set of servants, and her own bodyguard knights. The Part 3 story is a mix of a bunch of stuff, from her working with Ferdinand to fix her illness, her learning to be a noble and getting used to her new surroundings, dealing with being away from her original family, learning some basic magic, and her starting to get her printing industry underway.

    In Part 4 she goes to the magic school for nobles. It's one of the longest arcs and one of the most popular in Japan. It's like Harry Potter but with the upper class nobility stuff turned up to 11. It has stuff like Myne coming up with new and crazy ideas for magic and stunning her teachers, getting wrapped up in the royal succession crisis and making her adopted family nervous, getting excited about the school library, getting wrapped up into quidditch games, making new book friends, and spreading new trends among the students from the rest of the country and increasing Ehrenfest's influence.

    Part 5 is basically a continuation of part 4, as it starts with her in school. Without giving too much away, it involves her properly getting wrapped up in the royal succession crisis, finding out truths about the world, and the shit hitting the fan in a lot of ways.

    The LN version is still releasing, but is only up into part 4. Each book has 1-2 chapters in it that are LN unique and can't be found in the WN, and they've also released one book exclusively of side stories set in part 4. There's also a spinoff sequel that follows Myne's best friend that she made at wizard school trying to find love. It's updated very infrequently though since the author's time is mostly taken up by the LN version/drama CDs/the anime/etc right now.

    At the end of the story Myne celebrates her coming of age and becoming an adult (which I think is like 15 years old in that world? Been a while.) Myne remains a tiny midget until partway through the events of part 5, at which point for complicated reasons she finally grows up to an adult body. Mentally I think once you add everything together she'd be about 34 or so?
     
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    Can anyone tell me about the MC new noble family .It seems very complicated .
    There like 3 different wifes and several kids ..
    Also she got engaged to one of them? How and why did they break up?
     
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    Once they recognized Myne's potential, they realized she'd need very strong protection, to the point that they decided to adopt her into the family of the lord of Ehrenfest, Jilvester. However, it would be a huge scandal if he were to adopt a commoner, no matter how skilled, so they needed to launder Myne's heritage first.

    To do that they used the family of Karstedt, a high-ranking noble and the head of the knights, a trusted confidant of Ferdinand/the Head Priest, and a cousin of Jilvester.

    Karstedt has three wives. Elvira, Trudeliede, and Rosemary.

    Elivira is the first wife, and the only one who has any real screen time in the story. She's generally a good person, helps get Myne ready to enter the nobility, and is a fan of Ferdinand. She has three sons: Eckhard, Lamprecht, and Cornelius. Eckhard is Ferdinand's personal escort knight, and is one of the few people Ferdinand trusts. Lamprecht is the escort knight of Wilfried, the son of Jilvester and heir to the throne of Ehrenfest. Cornelius is a knight in training and become's Myne's escort.

    Trudeliede is the second wife. She was forced on Karstedt due to politics and is of a different faction to Elvira, and dislikes Ferdinand and Jilvester. She has one son, Nikolaus, and is scheming ways to get him to succeed Karstedt.

    Rosemary is the third wife. Trudeliede saw her as a threat and bullied her constantly. Her body was weak to begin with, and the stress of the bullying led to her dying of illness before the start of the story. She had no children.


    Ferdinand, Jilvester, and Karstedt make a new backstory for Myne. They say that she was a secret child of Karstedt and Rosemary, and that she was hidden in the temple as an infant to protect her from Trudeliede. They give her a new baptismal ceremony, where she's renamed Rosemyne, and is recognized by Elvira, which legally makes Rosemyne her daughter. (Noble children basically don't legally exist until they're baptised)

    Then at the baptismal ceremony, Jilvester takes the stage and announces that he's adopting Rosemyne as part of the lord's family due to her high magical power, business accomplishments, and rumors of how she's a merciful saint. It used to be in Japan the owners of companies would "adopt" grown sons to inherit the business, think of it like that. This makes Myne legally a part of the lord's family.

    Jilvester only has one wife, Florenzia, with whom he's heads over heels in love with and has so far been refusing to take a second wife. Florenzia's a gutsy sort who is one of the few people who can rein in Jilvester. She has two sons, Wilfried and Melchior, and a daughter, Charlotte.

    Wilfried is the eldest son and presumed heir. However, until shortly before Myne became a noble he was being raised by Jilvester's mother Veronica rather than Florenzia. Veronica is the head of the opposing court faction and generally not a nice person. She spoiled Wilfried rotten, and at the time Rosemyne meets him he's growing far behind on his studies. He's Rosemyne's age.

    Charlotte is the second child. She's one year younger than Rosemyne and being raised by Florenzia. She doesn't appear until later in part 3 due to pre-baptismal noble children being hidden to all but a few. Myne is extremely happy to get an imouto.

    Melchior is the youngest child and is five years younger than Rosemyne.



    As Rosemyne accomplished stuff and her notoriety grew, the question of who she would marry became very important. Not only did you have the issue of nobles trying to marry her into their families, there was also the problem that as Rosemyne stood out people would start to wonder why Jilvester didn't maker her the designated heir instead of Wilfried. In the past the child with the greatest magic power would inherit, and Jilvester had stated his intent to pass the throne to his eldest son from the beginning in the hopes of avoiding a power struggle like he'd lived through in his childhood.

    So they decided to have Rosemyne get engaged to Wilfried. That meant that no nobles within Ehrenfest could try to force Rosemyne into a betrothal, and it solidified Wilfried's claim to the throne. Technically from the outside it'd look like she was marrying her second cousin, but that's not unusual among high-ranked nobles. Rosemyne didn't mind the betrothal that much. She figured that by becoming a noble there was no avoiding a political marriage, and at least Wilfried was about the same age as her. That being said, she never holds romantic feelings for him, as mentally she's an adult and she only ever sees Wilfried as a child. Wilfried doesn't mind at first, but eventually starts to chafe at always being compared to Rosemyne and expected to succeed Jilvester. Also, whenever Myne does something dumb he has an "I have to marry THAT?" sort of reaction.

    The engagement doesn't get broken up until much, much later in the story, close to the end, and is a very long story.to get there. I'll just say that in addition to neither party being all that into the other and it being a betrothal of convenience, Ehrenfest is only one duchy in a larger kingdom, and a relatively small one at that. There are lords of larger territories that Jilvester has difficulty speaking back to, and the royal family is in a difficult situation at the time of the story as well. Jilvester protected Myne by engaging her to Wilfried, but that protection only goes so far.
     
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    WOW This is so detailed!!!!!!!
    It cleared up so much confusion. (I was confused too ehehehe) Too much background for adoptions, and characters names.

    Karstedt <<< Jilvester <<< but there's more high nobles than Jilvester.
    Wow, this novel kingdom is actually very complex. I thought by then (after Jilvester adoption), Maine already in connection with the highest nobles/inflluences in the kingdom, but no, it's still the middle.

    As for Ferdinand, he is of what name/family?
     
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