How stable would a Kingdom be if a King like this dies?

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  1. Harfang

    Harfang Well-Known Member

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    Everything is about the successor. If the king in place has a legitime and well established person to put after him. That's why there were Crown Princes. Those were litterally bred to be king after their father, and often associated to the power long before becoming king. It is maybe the best way to assure stability. That, and never dying.
     
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    but from what this author has written about this kings time as king he took out anyone who opposed his will. to speak aginst the king is a act of treason in and of itself.
    1) would such a king allow a COMPETENT heir to the thrown much less the building of a power base necessary to survive the transition of power once the old king is dead
    2) (royal magic has the power to hold absolute power) so anyone else takeing over the thrown would cause a lose of national power due of blood line magic being gone
     
  3. AIm21

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    The King of France at that time was a lazy fatass that could not have his head cut off in a single swipe of the guillotine and he bankrupted the state from Financing the American Revolutionary War.

    So the Third Estate rose up to make the King know of there grievances, it was only Robespierre that decided to kill both king and queen to prevent the revolution of the republic from being stopped.

    While the French Nobles were basically useless as they had been defang long ago by the previous generation sun king and held up in the palace of versaille instead of governing there feudal territory.

    So the situation aren't exactly the same as the Kingdom because the closest comparison to the amount power hold is Xi Jing ping and the communist party.
     
  4. J.R.

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    Now does the throne have some sort of safety lock or judgement system to prevent dynastic changes?

    Like a gem that glows as long as at least one member of the bloodline is alive, and or/a system that immolates unfit rulers to judge applicants to the throne (in the event of sucession either individual or dynastic)?

    Or worse, does it consume the kings souls to create an immortal advisory council.
     
  5. Baabaablack

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    I would consider how long the king was in power. The longer his reign the less likely that all his change would be overtured by his sucussors. Especially if they were unpopular with government officials and thier congressions.

    Regarding the claim of divinity, the king would have to adapt the current religion to feature him as a prominate figure (not a god like one) in its cast. The problem with him claiming to be god on earth(if that was what he was doing) would be that people would blame him for natural disasters or a vbad harvest. They would expect him to save his people in those times of need and if the clergy hated him they would imply that he was doing this on purpose. He is better off as a pope or messenger of the gods rather than being one himself. Ironically his claim of being a god would be much more useful after death for both his allies and opponents.
     
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  6. youseiki

    youseiki 『Loves Glasses』

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    I see, why not make something similar to the digital authoritarianism of social credit system into a fantasy setting. Like, the whole people in the country would fear anyone who's in the throne because they believe every action they do is being watched by the king, that way, no one would oppose the upcoming king because they were too busy to make their life evaluated better while trying to live a decently.
     
  7. AIm21

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    It will only allow those royal blood and can use magic to sit on it to wield the power it can give to a legitimate King. Those unfit will be killed the moment the Sword of Damocles made by the throne falls upon them and not pass right through their body the moment they sat on the Throne.

    So unless Royal line is close be extinguish the Throne will never act to choose a successor, but if there is only one the Throne will automatically make him/her it's master if he is still in the Kingdom.
     
  8. AIm21

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    That is one of the Throne powers as it connects to almost every living bigger then insects senses and record everything they see, hear, smell, touch, and taste in the Nexus below the Kings palace. So if the King wants to know something the Throne will show him anything that has been Archive in the Nexus from almost all living creature within the Kingdoms current borders.
     
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    CyberCypher Air Breather

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    your throne is a literal dues ex machina
     
  10. AIm21

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    It is more like ancient weapon in the story that has only been reinvented with the help of someone that the noble used most of there previous authority to get rid of for weakening there power by advising the King on what to do.

    It is not all powerful though as my MC Slaughter most of these people who once had a better verison of the Throne in the past and was the reason why this kind of Sentient Weapon disappear for nearly 2000 years.
     
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    Don't have him claim to be god. Pope is a much better position. As a living god he would be blamed for any Natural disaster by angry farmers or even the clergy. A pope is a messenger of god and thus not held accountable for his wrath.
     
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    Then just head of the church?
     
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    Yes. A lot easier.
     
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    CyberCypher Air Breather

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    either way it doesn't make a compelling story.
    Noble rebelling? why didn't the king see it coming when he has an all seeing eye . and don't say that it was because he was busy because any competent ruler would notice who opposed him and the only reason the ruler doesn't act is there was no proof, well with an all seeing eye the king has all the proof

    an invading army outmaneuvering his own? why didn't the king see the army movement if he can see through every living thing in the borders from the eyes of bystanders, to the ears of the enemy generals ( unless they were undead) , to the blade of grass under the strategy table
    it would be boring

    edit: just saw that grass can't provide intel but my point still stands,
     
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  15. Ai chan

    Ai chan Queen of Yuri, Devourer of Traps, Thrusted Witch

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    Umm, I don't want to break your ideas, but there is a very big flaw in your kingdom.

    A king with absolute power will be assassinated absolutely. And if it's set in stone that all kings will have absolute power, not only the king will be assassinated, his entire family down to his grandchildren, his brothers and his cousins will be assassinated. None of his dynasty will be left alive and after his whole dynasty is out of the picture, the entire kingdom will go into civil war for the juicy throne with absolute power.

    You won't have to wait until the king dies naturally, within 5 years of the king having absolute power, there will be talks of rebellion. Within 10 years, there will be groups who are planning to assassinate the king. Within 15 years, the actual assassination would've happened regularly. Within 20 years, there will be nothing left of the king's dynasty even if he's still alive as a living god. If by now the king hasn't been assassinated yet, he will be soon.

    You see, humans are both social creatures and greedy people. If you give your friends something once in a while, they will be happy and think you're a good friend. If you keep taking and taking and taking without giving back, even the best of friends will sour up and decide to stay away from you, and this means you have no protection against people who hate you. If you treat your friends like air and don't give them something good once in a while when you're a billionaire, they will start plotting your downfall. That's just human nature. You have to share stuff with your people or dissatisfaction will continue to rise.

    We're not even going into the 'absolute power corrupts absolutely' thing. Simply having absolute power will create dissent. Simply having absolute power will create unrest. And if this absolute power can't be curb through legal means, people will find a way to do it through illegal means. And since assassination of a king with absolute power is the only way to remove said laws, assassination will be the way to go.
     
  16. Kutaifa

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    From his description of the almighty plot armor that is the throne, the scenarios of open rebellion and anti monarchy sentiments becomes impossible. For some reason the throne is so op that it makes the king near omniscient and all powerful and is also conscious.
     
  17. Ai chan

    Ai chan Queen of Yuri, Devourer of Traps, Thrusted Witch

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    If that is true, then the other kingdoms will find a way to destroy his kingdom before he start using the power of the throne to destroy their kingdoms. If the throne is truly omniscient and allows him to read the minds of every people in his kingdom, you can bet the other kingdoms will see it as the number one threat. They will then develop long range weaponry to destroy the weapon, or train assassins whose minds can't be read.

    If Germany had developed the nuclear weapons before they even talked about Poland, would the surrounding nations (who don't have nuclear weapons) have allowed the weapon to exist?
     
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    Wouldnt you just castrate an orphan child then make him the king to get around the bloodline issues.

    Let the nobles raise an orphan for each family then make them compete to the death when its time to replace the "king"
     
  19. AIm21

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    You may think that, but it is unlikely they will do as you say because I have already thought of that scenerio and taken care of it.
     
  20. J.R.

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    Actually if the requirements are "magic user" + "bloodline" you just need to lobotomize a successor then lever the meat puppet on the throne