How would you exploit my magic system

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  1. djsosonut

    djsosonut Well-Known Member

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    Hmm...Like Light, Air is virtually everywhere too. So that should be taken into consideration.

    Since you're going with a blood system..it seems like the water mages would have an edge over everyone. Unless you add something like natural aura keeping a person's inner body protected, water mages could easily interfere with the magic of all the other classes by messing with their blood.

    I was going to bring that up. Plus if you bend light you can get a makeshift invisibility. And if you keep light from hitting the eyeballs of your enemies, you've effectively blinded them. All kinds of uses for Light Magic that can be devastating.
     
  2. Cupcake Ninja

    Cupcake Ninja [Kind Sage][Lord Benevolence][ The Great Paragon]

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    exploit huh....blood slaves bro. Find dozens of hundreds of people with the same element as you and force them to act as fuel for your magic. If you make it possible to do this then any sufficiently skilled and knowledgeable person even not of high rank can cast higher level magic. The only thing that stops any mage from being overpowered with this system is lack of fuel.
    At the greater levels of manipulation you can manipulate not merely the element, but the energy that its created from or its other forms. For example, heat from fire. You dont have to set ablaze a whole squardron of folk, just take the heat away from their bodies and kill them that way. I would say this would work by not just getting more blood and therefore more fuel, but getting the blood so you can increase your sensitivity to the element in the blood itself. To somehow pool all that blood in some way and form a connection to i, and even though they wont be of high innate purity themselves all that fire element blood would, if a connection is established, enable you to control your magic with a much greater awareness.
     
  3. J.R.

    J.R. Well-Known Member

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    Meh i dont care about my blood. I care about the other guy not having any.

    Also 10kg propelled 1 km?

    Thats a ton of energy
     
  4. CyberCypher

    CyberCypher Air Breather

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    What I meant when 10 is the highest level in purity , imagine that there are 10 glasses, each can be filled with 5 different colored fluids. you need a majority of a color to make it not be diluted by the others, so yes a double element is possible but it would be weaker than a level 7 of eithier element
    Again what I meant by weak was in terms of physical power a rock can hurt you , fire can burn you, water can splash you, an so forth
    you would need a lot of light manipulation to actually create laser, so a moer effective way was what you said, flashbangs, mirage, illlusions

    blood would counter the magic that mainuplates the body, thats why there are no healers.
    for eardrums, just use an airmage to pressurize the ear its technically not in the body
    I was going to make like that as well
     
  5. Gitami

    Gitami Well-Known Member

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    If it's medieval then you'd have to consider how knowledgeable they are of diseases or blood diseases, leeches and blood letting as well as methods of increasing natural blood generation like food or prayer rituals. Would they also try using blood for blacksmithing?
    Can they use external blood as activation points, IE blood needs to be in the vein as fuel but can a spell cause glass of blood to explode as oppose to glass of water.
     
  6. Goblin Sleuth

    Goblin Sleuth Well-Known Member

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    So this is not really a cheat, but more of a logical fallacy. You have a system with a total of ten levels, but your starting line is in the middle. Why bother to measure the levels 1 through 4 if all of them our equally worthless? Rather wouldn't it make more sense to rebrand level five as the new level one, and just generalize anyone lower than that as a level zero, or simple not give them a level at all.
     
  7. CyberCypher

    CyberCypher Air Breather

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    was going to add that as well, but not the second part, going to ponder on that

    its for a more complete worldbuilding kind of thing )qoute from post above this- What I meant when 10 is the highest level in purity , imagine that there are 10 glasses, each can be filled with 5 different colored fluids. you need a majority of a color to make it not be diluted by the others, so yes a double element is possible but it would be weaker than a level 7 of either element

    its sort of a percent kind of thing
    a mage would be classified as earth 7 but his complete blood could like this
    7 parts earth
    2 parts water
    1 part fire
    basically you pick the highest concetration as the mage with 5 being the minimum majority
     
  8. AIm21

    AIm21 Well-Known Member

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    So is there any blood suckers like Vampires or a Leech that will seek to target your mage?
     
  9. Silverasterisk

    Silverasterisk [Wallflower] [Drive by poster]

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    So what about drinking blood? It's in the body then.
     
  10. CyberCypher

    CyberCypher Air Breather

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    only humans,
    mythical beings would be beasts at best like the avatar series with skybisons and lion turtle
     
  11. Book Magus

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    Hmmm...unless ordinary to intermediary level magic on your system doesnt "burn" that much blood or regeneration is increased for those blood mages, am afraid magic is a really ocasional thing. When one donates blood, it takes 4 weeks to replace the lost blood cells, and 8 to 12 weeks to get the iron back on them.

    And considering blood purity is an issue, transfusion aint a realistic thing, since: A)Blood below 6 is useless for magic. B)Purebloods wouldnt donate their precious resources to anybody. It would be like asking an athlete to accept constant fatigue to interrupt their trainings and competitions.

    Apart from a few considerations ike the price of iron-rich food and liver being very expensive and a society selective to marriage with possible inbreeding, cant think anything else
     
  12. Goki-chan

    Goki-chan Active Member

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    Where does the blood go? Does it go to an organ that converts it into magic somehow? Can you stop the flow of that? Can you essentially blood bend to stop it or attack certain parts of the body to do the same?
     
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    Goblin Sleuth Well-Known Member

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    I understand, so someone could have level three fire blood, and not be able to use fire magic, but they could have level seven earth blood, so they can use earth magic. Hmmm so with this system it is at most possible to use two elements if you have two level five blood types.

    So blood is produced inside of your bone marrow, with the bone marrow itself being like a super concentrated blood. Do you have any plans for that, or are you just gonna stick with blood?
     
  14. Loni4ever

    Loni4ever The Fluffy White Wolf

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    How is the blood used for magic, can people use it while it's still inside them (and in that case, can they control the exact amount) or do they have to injure themselves and draw it outside of their body first?
    Shouldn't air be similar to light? I mean, it's everywhere. Even in water, there's usually some amount of air (think marine lifeforms that need oxygen). That could lead to OP air mages in comparison to other elements.
    There's also a varying amount of humidity present in the air everywhere. Plus, the human body consists of water to a high degree (or at least, you could extract the water from different liquids such as blood), can water mages manipulate those liquids too? If they're able to do sth like blood bending, wouldn't they in turn be the most OP? xD
    For prisons, how tf would you keep water or air mages captive without their elements, when they need air to breathe and have water in their bodies and the air?
    In this scenario, fire mages seem to be at a disadvantage cause all the other elements are practically everywhere. So they could carry around burning charcoal or sth in a stable container. They might want to build teams with light mages, as those could concentrate light rays into on beam, generating heat to light stuff on fire.
    Mages could experiment with blood of other species that have heightened regeneration, and find a way to reproduce with their genes. Which may have side effects.
    Maybe there's a certain mystical liquid or potion that can dilute mage blood without decreasing the potency.
    What would happen if you digest blood that's different from your type, rather than transfusing it? Maybe you could gain natural resistance to different elements that way, as you slowly digest huge amounts of blood and gather some sort of quality that's present in the blood. There's no offensive side to it though. You could make it so that humans haven't discovered it cause the amount of blood you'd need to digest is ginormous xD but some freak or animal that likes to eat humans happens to get that resistance
     
  15. Book Magus

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    One more thing, if water magicians can bemd the enemies blood, then they are the royalty from this world of yours.
     
  16. CyberCypher

    CyberCypher Air Breather

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    let me rephrase that, it would be need to be in the veins to work similiar to having a different line for drinking water and a differnet line for non potable water

    it would be similar to the mistborn allomancy powers ( they use metals in that one) where the magic causes the blood to "disappear" or you know how mana tends to operate in fantasy novels.
     
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    How common is it to have a purity of 5 or more? If most people have about average across all 5 elements then most people can't use any magic. Also, can the blood be purified or separated? Take an average person with purity 2 in all elements and separate their blood into 5 packages of purity 10.

    Also, you are underestimating light a lot. With the energy you are talking about a laser would be able to ignite cloth and paper at a distance easily. It would be reasonable for someone to use a laser to melt steel with the whole 10kg rock 1km.

    Where is the line between water and air? The air has water in it so can people condense liquid water our of the air? This would make water caster super valuable to desert regions. Or air casters if they can concentrate the humidity until it precipitates.

    As somebody mentioned does earth manipulation include metal? Cause if it does then metal weapons are near useless without some explanation for why they can't just turn your arms/armor into moving rope or spikes or something.
     
  18. J.R.

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    Emotional instabilty because of blood sorted by elements

    Fire: hot blooded and destructive tendencies easily offended and very energetic

    Water: mostly calm and compremising a natural hatred of fire blooded, and unstopable when angered (like a tsunami)

    Earth: musclebrained idiots who look down on others. Very caring of flora and fauna

    Air: fast paced actions destructive as a tonado when offended slightly

    Light: elegant and arrogant. sly , traiterous and feel most confident during the day and when night falls they hide and can nearly not be found

    Do explain this more i simply made something generic here but you can flesh this out it is the entire reason of war in your world after all
     
  20. pukeofhurl

    pukeofhurl The Philosopher

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    @CyberCypher this quote is what i was gonna say also another easy one would be water magic is to op in your system since if they can seperate fluids all other magic becomes useless as they would just seperate the water from your blood and no one could stop you after that all magic would be lost instantaniously or a fire mage just has to raise the air tempurature in your lungs so your blood boils and once again same problem air wouldnt effect the blood as fast since it takes literally minutes to cause non recoverable damage from that but light magic would actually be OP as shit if your using it as actual light magic and not holy magic since if you have access to the full spectrum with a focusing agent and a conduit you basically cause gamma ray bursts which is like setting off a nuke but through a slightly different process