J-Novel Club Licenses "Realist's Kingdom Reform Chronicles" + 1 other

Wow, merry christmas to you guys, too

I would actually say that "Most" of the books we licensed do not have active fan translations... Let's see:

Occultic;Nine
My Little Sister Can Read Kanji
My Big Sister Lives in a Fantasy World
Paying to Win in a VRMMO
The Faraway Paladin
Brave Chronicle: The Ruinmaker
Mixed Bathing in Another Dimension

Yeah, that's 7 out of the 10 series we're doing. And Little Apocalypse also had only a little bit that was ever fan translated if I recall.
So yes, Grimgar and Realist Hero had popular active Fan Translations, but most of our licenses don't.

 

Very good point, let me clarify. The original post by Pinansky said that LN was the final version of the WN. He said nothing about the sameness between WN and LN, yet you then came to say that WN != LN. So I came to say that LN is the final version, and that WN essentially does indeed == LN. There are differences created by the editing process that create a distinction in quality between LN and WN, and once it is published the story is set in stone, hence becoming the final version. The two are different, but not fundamentally different to the extent where they can be considered separate works like you example of different renditions of the Hobbit.

I asked you to define format because I couldn't see how format supported your argument so was wondering if you meant something else. Well if you want to go by dictionary definition, format is according to dictionary.com the: 1. the shape and size of a book; 2. the general physical appearance of a book; 3. the organization.
But surely, these things have nothing to do with the story. Is the mere fact that two things have difference lengths, shapes, appearances enough to justify calling them inherently different? Your original point is that fundamentally WN != LN, and according to this definition of format you are wrong.

Actually, yes. Ever heard of the Apocrypha? Debates rage about whether or not to count them as part of the Bible. Various sects do and do not consider them a valid addition, but either way, with or without these additions, the Bible is the Bible. And what happened when the Bible was being compiled in the first place? Did all the additions and redactions to what is and what is not holy change the fact the Bible is the Bible? Similarly, with or without the additions, the story is the same whether LN or WN. Sure there's another character. Does the plot change in any meaningful way? Maybe a different person does something, but the outcome and overall events stay the same. For example, in overlord, Arche has a different fate. Does this in any way change the overall story of Overlord? No, the story goes on, Ainz goes to do the same things in the WN and LN. If you don't like the analogy, that's fine. It was there to better convey my intention, but the essential point still stands.

I already conceded this when I said: "The only thing that can be argued is whether or not the LN was in line with the author's original intentions as details can be cut out during the editing process after being deemed unsuitable for print." What I did doubt was to the degree. Aren't you too pessimistic? Sure there will be challenges, but so insurmountable that they destroy the story? Rather, how does this support your argument that fundamentally LN != WN? Are these adjustments so jarring that they fundamentally change the essence of the story? A chapter being rewritten cannot possibly effect the rest of the events throughout the story? And yes, cutting the trash and judiciously adding content for say better characterization does is fact make it superior, right? Is that not what improvement is? Pruning the bad and exemplifying the good?

Rebutting with arguments that do not address the issue at hand is illogical. For example, this interchange:

But I can see why me bringing up Light Novels being adapted from the most popular Web Novels doesn't really apply. Okay, we'll throw that detail away.

Ad hominem fallacy. Also, Poe's Law refers to you saying you are being sarcastic when you have not adequately shown yourself to be. You repeating what he said back to him only served to display you giving bad advice.

You can express your opinion. I expect it to be civil, not: delete any pornography you decide to post.

This is a separate issue from the sameness between WN and LN, your claim. This addresses Pinansky's actual point. Dictionary defines final as 1. last in place; 2. Ultimate; 3. Conclusive.
The story will undergo no more revisions. This makes it final. You keep on claiming the opposite, but you never explain why.

Not fundamentally different.

These are not enough to say they are fundamentally different. Fundamental, meaning essential part of, a foundation or basis, basic, underlying, an original or primary idea. Format, structure, and flow in no way changes the core novel and so do not deserve to be recognized as independent.

Pretty valid argument when the oppositions claims have no substance.

Because the poor parts have been cut and judicious additions made.

You're a mod, be civil. Follow rule #1: Be nice and polite.

Good, maybe you'll finally realize the platform you stand on has been made of straw the whole time. You've left so many claims undefended, and so many others have been refuted that now you're truly grasping at straws and destroying your foundation while at it.

Let me summarize my points:
1. LN version is the final version for its content because no more changes will be made to that content.
2. WN is inherently the same as LN because essential parts of the story remain the same though physical differences like structure and format may exist.

 

Civility aside, I thought this was a good discussion, but very well.

 

It's a good discussion if it's on 'LN vs WN' thread.

 

Well...
we can always move it and create a anew thread isn't it?

 

another cat fight?

IMO Nope~ not at all~
@remy911 have point it out~ argument over nothing~

nay most are lazy to make serious thread

 

I'll create serious thread when there's a serious topic.

Right now, there's nothing really that important happening.

 

there always serious topic~ the question is are you pay attention to it or do you willing to make it?
some just buried or ignored~ it also matter of perspective~
example matter that brought by hmm member that give business feeling pink something~ Would J-Novel Club be more successful with crowdfunding and makes web reading free? that member make similar thread~
there also problem with respond~
some scenario "what if" can be serious if responded seriously~
and seriously I'm lazy to make one or think any further respond that maybe you seriously put after this post that I make seriously~

seriously~ don't reply this post cuz I just wake up from serious rest

 

Im from Philippines . How can I subscribe to J novel easily? I dont have a vcard or mastercard. I just have money. Ty in advance.

 

If you can get a prepaid debit card you can use that.

 

so, is the conclusion that there will never be a free to read version ever again from this point onward for this novel?
just asking for clarification..

btw, you should try and set a j-novel button like translator group have.. just saying

 

Hahaa seriously 4.5$ moment of silence to my self

 

If only J-Novel could accept this fan-translation is a part of movement to make the novel to make it more popular on outside world...than taking it down(mostly fans of this novel are mostly worried if this one to down it can cause disturbance of its popularity that what happened those who got licensed then its popularity went down even anime adaptation cant save it or most likely converted to manga readers of the novel) thus asking for the author of novel or publishers that web novel will be still going on......(to make more profits for the J-novel...the fan translation site will put alert to buy the official version or support the author movement that would be happy-happy situation) will happen...

(Not adding this WN vs LN thing) Mostly the difference on LN and WN is that LN is the official version of the story that reviewed or having isbn code (that have edited or added to make more appealing to those who read the WN version + its new readers) while WN is original version but its only rough draft but it can change for more result or just left it for future use for the author(can be deleted or forgotten)

 

Japan culture production usually work in a self centered market. For a very long time they didn't even though of exporting their main cultural production. It was foreign publishing companies managed by zelous fans that came forth and strugled to obtain licencing rights of mangas and animes for the foreigns markets.
And now, only now, japanese light novels start to appear officially in other countries (long after mangas and animes), so don't think the very relative popularity of a fantranslated adaptation of a novel will affect in any way the japanese publishers. Many very successfull official oversea releases weren't even able to do so, as many mangas and animes very popular on foreign markets had been axed just because their japanese popularity (magazine wise or the local DVD sales) wasn't high enough.

Just be thankfull that somebody is try to show to authors and publishers that they might be people reading LN outside of Japan, and that some of these are ready to pay to get them officially in their language...
Who knows, maybe the foreign LN market will get bigger one day thanks to this, like animes and mangas did in their time.

 

Remember Shield Hero? Now that's where WN!=LN.