Spoiler Kill the Villainess - Helena

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Do you hate Helena?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. No opinion. I want to stay away from her

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  4. It is complicated

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  1. asriu

    asriu Well-Known Member

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    oh~
    sure~
    suuure~
     
  2. Sutad Aatma

    Sutad Aatma Well-Known Member

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    what i like about this manhwa is that mc has said that hey, i did not have the perfect relationship with my family. it was quite strained and i avoid them a lot. but despite all this, she did not just go yolo let me start a new life with all this luxury at my feet. no, i want to go back. there were regrets and as she looked back, she started understanding more of what she had neglected. i feel like this part is often brushed off like in 'death is the only ending for villainess' where mc realized way way later (not her fault since that became the basis and the most important plot point).

    I'm gonna go with guilty until proven otherwise for her. her navieness, just like janette in 'who made me the princess', is extremely deadly. plus, her insistence of ''no i'm fine'' instead of ''no, she didn't do it'' is pretty sus. the very fact she stood aside and watched eris being humiliated for all these years (even though she had the favor of everyone around her) without trying to help her a little is just too much.

    are you projecting yourself onto helene?
     
  3. theilikepie

    theilikepie Well-Known Member

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    Read the latest spoiler. Then come back to me with inncoent misunderstood innocent eris and evil two faced helena

    After what eris and her family did to her Helena is legit a saint to even act nice to the OG her. Maybe even brain damaged

    Girl is getting bullied by a spoiled brat and harrassed by a psycho prince. Shes the strongest character in the novel to go through all that and still come out as strong and kind as she is

    Helena's family was brought down by Marquis Mizellian and her mom is a bit unstable because of it. Helena spent most of her childhood comforting her mother.
    It's not that Helena doesn't know about her situation but rather she doesn't really have any choice. No matter how much she tried to do her duties, the empress and prince didn't let her do it. They would always call her away. At first she was a bit stubborn and wanted to finish her duties. But she soon realises that if she wouldn't go, the servants would be still inconvenienced. She doesn't even have the right to refuse. And Eris bullied her a lot during their childhood. She even once locked her up in a dark place. She even tells her very condescendingly that if she wants to raise her status so much, it's better to join a brothel. Og Eris is very prideful and very condescending towards Helena. Later a maid rescues her and when the empress and CP inquire about the culprit, both Eris and Helena keep quiet. Eris even further pretends to be worried and happy to see Helena safe. So because of all this, Helena had some resentment towards her.

    But one day she sees Eris crying alone in the corner. She knew she works hard, more than others to strive for perfection. She feels sorry for her. Just when the prince comes, Eris quickly wipes away her tears and smiles like a doll. Helena wonders whether she would have been the same if she had remained a noble. She decides to forgive Eris no matter what she did to her in the future.
    So the reason why the empress and CP hate Eris is because of Helena's mom. CP just plainly hates her for being the daughter of Marquis Mizellian. This Dumb bitch! As I mentioned before Helena's mom hates the Marquis and so channelises all that hatred towards Eris. She influences the empress too by badmouthing about her. One day helena got hurt during a hunt because of some inexperienced lady who couldn't manage her bow, but her mom puts all the blame on Eris. Her hatred is so much that she decides to poison Eris's tea. Helena decides to take care of the matter.

    Anway I'm banned from that thread so i cant dab on the people who said Helena was evil and two faced for not helping out when quite literally she had no obligation after being bullied by helena all her life and couldn't even if she wanted to

    I do salute the author for no going down the cliche of making the Og villanes actually misunderstood
     
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  4. Sutad Aatma

    Sutad Aatma Well-Known Member

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    Ohhh
    After reading the spoiler, Helena is quite kind-hearted. I didn't see this one in the spoiler thread. Damn i feel sorry for helena
    And OG eris was a quite a brat, but then again, just like helena pitied her, even I pity her. she did so much just to never be acknowledged, and when she did not get any rewards, she lashed out. unfortunately helena became her target due to queen and cp.
    Can you spoil me on why Marquiss did what he did?
     
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    cookie_monster007 Well-Known Member

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    Guys I'm just loving this novel. I did a mistake to read My fiancé is in love with my little sister which destroyed me mentally, so when I looked through spoilers of this MC's attitude of no bullsh*t and imma yeet out of here whether you decide to be my fishes (MLs) and apologize or not thinking, it's just brilliant. I'm lovin' it yeah....
    Also, please drop some novel in which the MC is like not-taking-any-cr*p.
     
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  6. theilikepie

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    Walking my second path in life
     
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  7. Sutad Aatma

    Sutad Aatma Well-Known Member

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    wait, i have a question. why was my thread merged with this? Is it because of the ending spoilers? rest of it was lcd i think
     
  8. bristy_6

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    So, Why did Helena let the crown prince to escort her? Lol
    She doesn't know the effects? Isn't it common sense that Eris will be humiliated if the crown prince doesn’t escort her who is her fiancee? Any woman who has a good character, will never get close like this with a man who has a fiancee, let alone taking the place of his fiancee?
    She does these shits alnd then, she expects to be stay as friends with the MC? :blobfistbumpL:
    Why did she do this? She was forced?
    Did if she strongly reject him, like "I will not go with you, no matter what", and then the crown prince still forced her without caring about her opinion?
    I guess, No. She didn’t even protest strongly, I think.
    And it doesn’t matter if someone does a wrong thing and hurt others without their own will. It will not make them innocent. Their doings may be excused a little, but you can't totally excuse them. Like, even if they did it without their own will, did the sufferer whom they did shit with, suffered less? NO.
    For these reason, I still don't like her. As long as she stays passive and does whatever the shitty Crown prince tells her to do, I will never like her.
     
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  9. 322098054

    322098054 Well-Known Member

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    Do you Hate OG Eris too for bullying Helena and making the Life of Helena a Living Hell?

    Helena Is a Way Better Person then OG Eris Ever was. Peridot.

    OG Eris was the One with the bad Character.

    If You Defend OG Eris You Lose All Credibility To Hate Helena. NPC
     
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    Did I defend OG Eris anywhere? Lol
    You should read my comment again.
    OG Eris was wrong by bullying her. And Helena was/is wrong by accompanying the crown prince in every shits.
    OG Eris was a fool, actually. She shouldn’t have loved a low life like the crown prince. If there was no love, she wouldn’t be jealous of Helena ( This is the only reason for her jealousy cause in other aspects she is wayy above Helena anyway).
    If there was no jealousy, she wouldn’t bully Helena cause it wouldn’t matter to her if the CP and Helena got lovey dovey or not.
    Her love for the the crown prince ruined her.
     
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    322098054 Well-Known Member

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    Better At What? At being A Bitch? An Arrogant Asshole? She Was A Weak Coward Who Had Everything She Ever Wanted Yet Still Bullied Those Worse Off then Her. Helena Is Way Stronger then Her even With her Harder Past.
     
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    Lol
    Better at what?
    It's a historical manga. And only fools wouldn’t know the huge difference between a "maid" and a "marquis's daughter". During that time, a woman needed many qualities to get accomplished in the aristocrat society. A women needed to learn sooo many things in order to become a crown princess/empress.
    The only reason Helena was treated like a princess in the arristrocat society cause 3 dumb ML loved her. If it wasn’t the case, do you think she could live her life without doing any work, having tea parties with the Queen, crown princess, high priest, duke etc even though she is just a maid?
    She wouldn’t even get to talk to OG Eris without Eris's permission. The difference is that much high.
    And lol
    "She was a weak coward who had everything she ever wanted yet still bullied those worse off then her"
    She never bullied other people who were worse off then her except Helena. She bullied Helena cause she was treated like dirt by the crown prince and others while her place was given to Helena. And since the OG Eris wasn’t strong enough to defy the crown prince so she bent her hatred ( which was born by the numerous injustice done to her btw) on Helena who was weaker than her.
    She didn’t bully Helena randomly without any reason. If that was the case, she would bully every poor people which she didn’t. ( I am not justifying OG Eris's bullying btw. I am just stating the reasons why she bullied her)
    And Again LOL
    Helena was Stronger?
    What "strong things" did she do in the original novel?
    She was favoured by the country's most high ranking people still she never got the courage to do anything according to her own will. When the crown prince did shit to OG Eris, she went along with him. Never bothered to go against him even though it was a disgusting to act lovey dovey with a person who has a fiancee.

    Agree with you 100%
     
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    322098054 Well-Known Member

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    Thos Is Not A Historical Manga
    History Didn't Have Magic Or Dead Peple Comomg Back To Life. Dont Pull Out the Historical Card when Real history was Notning like this

    Helena Was Strong Cause She was Nice to Her Abuser And understood Her Even after Everything She Went through at Her Hands.Its Called Emotional Strength

    Eris Was A Coward Cause She Couldn't Talk shit To The CP so she Took out Her anger On Someone Of Lower Status. Making Her life a Living Hell


    Someone Whose Family Tuined Hers

    FYI. Even if Helena Did Steal Her Fiance. OG Eris Deserved it. She was Nothing but Horrible to Her While Helena was kind. A Murdering Psychopath who Deluded Herself Into Thinking She was The Victim and Then Killed Herself. A Narcissist. And Why Should Helena Have Helped Eris At All? She Would Proably have Hit Her Again. She probably Knew Even Helping Her would Make her go Psycho on her Again and Shed Start Physically Abusing Her all Over.

    I'm Glad New Eris Transmigarated into Her. OG one Is probably Burning in Hell like the Evil Hoe She

    You Oniw Whats Disgusting. Calling A Child A Prostitute, Locking Them in a Room and Slapping them

    OG Eris Is the Most Disgusting One Here. Yes even More Disgusting Then the Whore prince


    They Deserve Eachother. Should Have Married Eahcother And made EachOther Miserable. There Both Physical Abusers. At Least Thay Would Have Left Poor Helena Alone.

    Also Wanna Know Another thing Helena is Better At? Living Lmfao. My Girls Living Her Best Life In The End While OG Eris is Rotting 6 feet Underground

    Karma Is a Bitch
     
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    lmao you two stop diss each other. im sure 322098054 (maybe they are that previous OP that get banned?) didn't read part about OG Eris story afterall. OG eris also victim of Royal's family. She dont want bcm CPrincess, she kinda forced. Althought yeah her sad story not justified her bad behaviour, at least who will happy if your hardwork bcm useless bcs "kind,pure,and pretty" who just can smile and cry's girl take your all your hardwork's result??
     
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    Well Maybe If OG Eris Wasnt An Asshole..... And She Was Bullying From Childhood

    She Was Jealous Cause Helena Was a Better Person. Not Cause Of CP

    I Dont Like Eris Cause She Seems Like a Professional Self Victimizer

    And No? I Dosnt Get Banned? Are you Supirded Two People Have Same Opinion. Thata How it Works in The Real World
     
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    Helena wasn't a better person neither was OG Eris. Nobody was perfect and I think you should understand that. Everyone had there problemes and they were in different situations and they coped as they however they wanted, Nobody is better than the other every has shortcomings.

    So stop.
     
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    322098054 Well-Known Member

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    Yes Murder And Bullying Is the Exaxt Same as Um Being Overly Nice

    But Fine Let's Agree To Disagree. I'm tired Of Arguing Anways. Your Not Gonna Change My Opinion Nor I Yours



    Anway on Another Topic This Novel Shows Us that notning Is As It Seems . We Thought Helena was teo Faved. She was nice

    Then We Thought OG Eris was Misunderstood. Nope She Was as Bad As CP

    I Like The Authors Writing. It's not Tropey Like Others
     
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    It's an historical manga. Learn the meaning of the historical manga first. It isn't necessary to follow the "real history" to make a histocial manga.
    The aristocracy, the social structure, makes it a historical manga. And how aristocracy works, you know, right?
    So yes, there was a huge difference between Helena and Eris.
    And according to you, The OG Eris was coward cause she didn’t fight against the CP lol. But then what about Helena? She didn’t fight against the CP either when he forced her love on her, but still she is strong according to you? Hypocrisy, isn't it?

    And you should read the manga Again. The OG Eris didn’t bully Helena randomly. Her place was given to Helena, OG Eris was mistreated so badly by other people and Helena didn’t object to anything. Helena was always passive. And then she was bullied by the OG Eris.
    So, don't try to blame everything on OG Eris as if she did every wrong things Just for fun.
    And "hoe"?
    Do you know the meaning of Hoe? It means Slut. And the OG Eris did many wrong things but never got lovey dovey with other women's fiancee or many men at a same time unlike someone else. She was loyal to her love even though he treated her like shit.
    So use "hoe" word for someone else if you want to use it so badly.
    And yes, Karma is in fact a bitch.
    For example, the OG Eris got her punishment for her every crimes in her living life. In the end, she got killed and The way, Eris got slapped by that shitty CP just for a small bruise on Helena's hand, it's clear that how OG Eris was treated whenever she bullied Helena. Helena has so many powerful people supporting her after all.
    So, I am happy that she died. She wouldn’t suffer anymore for those horrible people anymore. She is finally in peace.
    And For Helena,
    She was always passive. When OG Eris's rightful place/importance/rights was given to her, she accepted it. Didn’t deny anything when a man with a fiancee gave her more importance than his own fiancee.
    And later, couldn’t fight it either when that man forced his love on her and made her his wife. What a miserable life she had even though she was showered with luxury. She was just a puppet.
    So, yeah. Karma is a bitch.
     
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    She did it not because she loves the CP though. She's exhausted and jealous because her hard works were being ignored by pretty much every one of them including the CP while Helena does nothing but smiles, yet she's the one constantly being praised, loved, and taken care of.

    OG Eris is not a terrible person per se, she's just totally stressed out for good reasons and we know stressed-out people usually aren't nice or not as nice as usual. We know for sure that she is a kind lady from the way her maids totally love her and the reasoning behind some of her behaviour. Of course, the bullying is still wrong but that doesn't mean she has a bad character or that Helena has a better one.

    It just means that OG Eris is in a terrible situation while Helena is in a better one. Had we reversed the situation, who can say that Helena won't be worse than OG Eris or OG Eris won't be better than Helena?

    That's why most people can't help but sympathize with OG Eris and not liking Helena. The same goes for me. I don't hate Helena per se, I do sympathize with her, just a bit, but liking her? I can't.
     
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    It's kinda funny people who hate Helena and loves Helena are at a war on a spoiler thread. I for one, dont give a fk about her. Kinda sad that even among the readers, only few minority pays attention to OG!Eris. Same as in the story itself, most people focus their attention to Helena.
    Guess it can't be helped, helpless and weak gets the most attention and pity. While strong gets admired for their strengths and gets neglected in their pains.

    ps: my apologies for adding to unrelated discussions to the spoilers. I just felt that I wanted to put my opinion here seeing these pages filled with discussions about this. ;-;
    Strong people gets hurt too, and everyone has feelings just because they can endure most pains doesn't mean they should nor they must.
     
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