Discussion reforming sex tags

Discussion in 'Novel General' started by DocB, Apr 19, 2019.

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should this new system be implemented?

Poll closed Apr 26, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

    68.4%
  3. Only Vanilla

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  1. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Mature is different from Adult, so of course you're going to have different numbers.

    Smut and Adult are similar though, so I can understand your confusion~
     
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  2. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    what is your opnion on handholding?
    the idea of vanilla is what is conisdered normal and teached in sex ed class in a western society, vanilla in arabic nation is showing ankle on the street and getting stoned for it so i prefer my defenition of vanilla, fetish are human pratices than have certain negative stigma atached to it, but still are healthy demostration of affection, and C.U.M is just the abyss
     
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    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    mature without (adult and smut) = 18 pages
    and you find lot of yaoi and even ancient streghening technique, that the best description is cultivation novel that your rank is the number of member in your harem, and it is descriptive
     
  4. Moonpearl

    Moonpearl Professional Yuri Girl ❀ [Yuri Garden Creator]

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    It's all subjective regardless. My Western sex ed didn't teach a single one of your "vanilla" tags except from "nudity" and "first-time intercourse". Some members of this society still think that anal and cunnilingus is super out there. Just because you prefer your version doesn't mean that anyone else will, so why should they use it?

    Also, sometimes it's not about wanting just "vanilla" or "extreme". In fact, it's pretty often much more than that. People might be into a lot of things but only want to read one particular thing, e.g. the aforementioned "cunnilingus only".
     
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  5. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Just because it's BL, it doesn't mean it's an adult novel.

    As for novels that don't have adult genre even though they could fit... *shrugs* That's a problem of users not adding the genres properly, can't be helped.
     
  6. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    really no homosexual education, i mean how can gay man have sex without anal or lesbian without cunnilingus
    for cunnilingus only try yuri novels
     
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    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    if the system is too complicated for the stupidest of user then your population can be stupid but the system at the very least is little responisble for that
     
  8. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Or maybe it's the definition of Adult and Mature genres that are very non-intuitive and can easily be misunderstood? I mean, ever tried looking at them? They look basically the same.
     
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    Moonpearl Professional Yuri Girl ❀ [Yuri Garden Creator]

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    Nope, none. They are extremely incompetent. In fact, there was a crappy law that they couldn't "promote homosexuality" in schools up until 2003.
    Gay men don't need anal and lesbians don't need cunnilingus, though...

    Also, as a devoted yuri fan: nope, don't count on it.
     
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  10. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    if it walks like a duck and quack like a duck just merge them and be done with it
    to create the ultimate Duck
     
  11. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    2003, for sex ed in class you would have too be 11th/ 12th grad so going generous with 17, so you should be 33 this year.
    if you consider rude that i try to guess your age, want to me to take a crack at your weight?
     
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    Moonpearl Professional Yuri Girl ❀ [Yuri Garden Creator]

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    It was an example of how incompetent they are. Don't think for a second that they changed overnight to incorporate education for us. In fact, if you go down to the "Academies" section of the Wiki page I linked, it even details how many schools still tried to write a version of Section 28 into their own policies.

    Sex education was only very recently revised again, and it still avoids explicit LGBT+ sex education and you can choose to have your child not receive it.

    Not to mention that all this was banned from being produced in UK porn because it's "too extreme". So by their definition, calling someone names during sex belongs in your C.U.M section.

    My point is, don't count on using "Western standards" to "objectively" decide the categories.
     
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    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    already forgot that one ban on fisting and swear words,
    almost as bad as canada's 35% of all porn consumed in canada must be canada made
     
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  14. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    And then you have one generic genre that covers very different things and that shouldn't be added up together? Thanks, but no thanks.
     
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    adult: contains themes or action (normally sex or violence) that you have to be adult (+18) to comprehend
    mature: contains themes or action (normally sex orviolence) that you have to be mature (whatyever that means) to comprehend
    smut: one of the above especially tailored to women so adult+josei
     
  16. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Yes, I told you just a few messages ago that the definition is not intuitive, doesn't mean that the mods and the people active in tag/genre cleanup don't know what they're supposed to mean.

    Having them separate is pretty useful, I know that I should avoid adult novels unless I'm in the mood for it. Mature novels I can read whenever.
     
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    I really don't see any other reasons for combining tags other than to decrease the number of tags.

    I'm against this just because it means that the tags will be less accurate.
     
  18. AliceShiki

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    Pretty much~

    I mean, tag cleanup doesn't hurt for as long as a given tag is useless and can easily be merged into another. It's how we went from 1300ish to 700ish tags... But rn it's really hard to remove any tag without hurting people's ability to find what they want, so it'll probably remain like that for the near future.
     
  19. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    At least you have t consider th vanilla tag and the 11 it replaces
     
  20. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Vanilla doesn't include anal, fellatio, handjob and threesome in my books. And I surely don't want to see any of those when I want to read a vanilla R-18 work.

    I dunno what cunninglus and paizuri are, so I'll refrain from commenting on those though.
     
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