Discussion reforming sex tags

Discussion in 'Novel General' started by DocB, Apr 19, 2019.

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should this new system be implemented?

Poll closed Apr 26, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

    68.4%
  3. Only Vanilla

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  1. Novetsu

    Novetsu Well-Known Member

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    I don't really care, all I want is a tag on the lewd act of hand holding!
     
  2. Westeller

    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    Voted "no."

    I don't like made up tags that you have to explain to someone. "Criminal or unique methods" my foot. Tags should be something most people will understand at a glance.
     
  3. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    Jiangshi, Onmyouji , Fujoshi (descrption lit. japonese character fujoshi), Youkai
    now, explain how someone that doesn't know japonese or is a long term weebs would be able to understand, at a glance, these tags
     
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    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    Are you asking me if I think we should have those tags? The answer is no. Does that help? :blobunsure:

    Jiangshi, for example, has a whopping 8 listed novels on NU. Which is obviously because people don't know the tag exists and so aren't applying it properly to novels, or just don't want to use that tag in the first place. Either way, we may as well not even have it.

    Onmyouji has... also 8. Fujoshi has... 12. These tags are pitiful.

    But, y'know what? At least these tags are 'additions'. If someone is extremely interested in Onmyoujis, they can search for them this way. For what that's worth. I don't think we should have them anyway, on principle, but I won't bother deleting them. They aren't really hurting anything. Rather, they just 'add' something. What you want to do is a 'subtraction'. You want to remove tags - some of which I also don't think we should have in the first place - and then replace them with tags no one is going to understand.
     
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    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    then don't simply say no, paizuri is also a japonese word, so also not so easily recognizable, so condensing all "normal sex act" in the vanilla tag could eliminate 10 tags, and serve as a better indicator of descriptive sex scenes than the R-18 tag (just JP for some reason)
    vote only Vanilla
     
  6. Westeller

    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    I don't think we should have paizuri as a tag, either, so I'm cool with getting rid of it. I definitely don't think it should be replaced by a "vanilla sex" tag, though. That's missing the point. *A lot* of novels have sex. Very few have descriptive sex. And even fewer have descriptive sex that includes something relatively unusual like paizuri. Tags like that were clearly meant to indicate the descriptive presence of something unusual, and "vanilla sex" does not fulfill that role in any way. You may as well toss the entire category shtick and say outright that you just want to remove all specific sex tags.

    If you want to remake the poll to say that, I might vote yes?

    I have a feeling I'd be outvoted, though.
     
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  7. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    that would unite the ones that vote yes and no on this poll, cause those tht voted yes understand that the current tags are superfluos cause when they read fap material they expect to have at least the basic content included in vanilla or are looking for smething more obscure ( so fetish or cum [note the name was meant partially as a joke and it could be changed for something more descriptive]) and those that say No that think that with the new tag system they might read something they don't like

    So if you want to elimate sex tags, by all mean make your thread and poll, maye those that didn't vote on this poll cause they dn't care about sex tags might vote for it (?)
     
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    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    I'd be worried that it'd be the people who don't particularly care that *would* vote to get rid of superfluous tags, and that doesn't sit right with me. I mean, someone added those tags because they wanted them. I don't like them, but I'm not personally going to advocate their removal just because. As I said earlier, 'subtraction' matters more than 'addition'. At least to me, personally.
     
  9. Dyne

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    your definition of vanilla are not vanilla in my eyes. Does anal and threesome are really vanilla? I mean how many people do you know that have been doing threesome? Breast fetish also not vanilla, as it already have the "fetish" in the word. Even the definition of the tag it self is not vanilla by any mean.

    And your idea of combining the tag into three and remove the rest are a bad idea. Tell me, if I want to read reverse rape story but without incest, how can I do it? Or a rape story without tentacle? or BDSM without adultery? or Orgy without first time intercourse?
     
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    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    first point, my defenition of vanilla is what "normal" humans would consider proper sexual behaviour, with no stigma attached, you want a threesome convice your partner that about sharing with a friend or simply pay two prostitutes and there is no one that will really care or wonder why you did it. same for anal, with the added bonus that it is the prefered behaviour for gay couples.
    breast fetish is about the same as long as the infatuation with breast is not to mutilate them or insert thing through the nipple, it is a behaviour that a "normal" person could have

    so the point of this system is not to tell what you will find out, but a warning about the level of what you will find out

    about the idea you can exclude certain tags, then you haven't read lots of fap material, most erotic novels will start standart but will constatly up the antics so unless you want put tags with the inforamtion on which chapter that behaviour start it won't do you any good, for a concreate example go a few age back that i've already talked about road to kingdom a 300 chapter( at this point) novel)
     
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    this is definition of vanilla from wikipedia:

    Conventional sex, or vanilla sex, is sexual behavior that is within the range of normality for a culture or subculture.

    Now here is the things, some Asian country have taboo on talking about normal sex action, not to mention anal or threesome. That why if you want to have "vanilla" then it should only include the most common sex act. Some people will even said that Fellatio and Cunnilingus are not "vanilla"

    If we are using your definition, then BDSM should not be included in fetish, because you can pay hooker to have BDSM play or convince your partner to do that.

    That is never the purpose of tag. Tag is used to find out a certain thing or exclude certain things. Warning level that you mention is a rating, like R15, R18, etc.

    Haven't read lots of fap material. Oh boy, this is the funniest thing that I read today. I read at least 1 to 2 new erotica/day and following 32 series that updated regularly (from other website). I read more erotica compared to novel.

    Some of the story will totally exclude certain fetish. Incest for example, will either included from beginning (or with a very big hint) or totally excluded. BDSM is another one, you can read incest story without BDSM at all, in fact a lot of erotica doesn't have BDSM unless is specifically tagged. First time intercourse also not always mentioned in lots of erotica (and not a lot people want to read about this).
    Tentacle is another tag. Not all rape have tentacle attached, in fact I can give you 100 stories with rape that have no tentacle at all.
     
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    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    there is a stigma attached and not all hooker do it, and certain muslim countries kill people for homosexuality so should yaoi novel be removed?
    but the question is will someone that is fine with BDSM not be fine with incest or people that read tentacle will not be fine with rape?
    with the NU tag system that isn't completlely tuned to describe all possible sex acts (no tag for double penetration or inflation, or gangrape) or a dozen other specific sexual acts that people "might" have a problem with it is better to have a rating system about the pervesion of novel than to list all sexual act contain in it, after all 300 chapter novel is a bigger time investment than 30 m hentai video
     
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    Not all hooker gonna do 3some or anal. Anal sex also banned by some religion. 3some is frowned by Christian

    What do you mean about yaoi should be removed? I never post thing that suggest novel need to be removed

    Yes. Some people read rape(or reverse rape) stories but didn’t like tentacles since they prefer human sex.
    Some people will read incest stories but not BDSM. Hell, you can find lots of incest stories without BDSM.

    NU is not erotica index site. It is a translation novel index site and such it won’t have all sexual tag, unless the situation demand it. If you think there is a sexual act that need to be filtered out then propose a new tag. Removing existing tag doesn’t help.
     
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    Bright_Lucky_Star [Previously Known as OrdinaryUser] The Blessed One

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    if the normality of a culture is to kill those that pratice this sex acts, shouldn't the normality of categorizing that same sex act be to kill it
    (same reasoning could be applied to rape)

    but having the tag also does not help, most novel tag are only a description of what happen so far, so you can read a novel with no incest tag until the last chapter that will end in incest, and only then will the tag be added to NU, congrats your tag system achived nothing but deception.
    Now let's imagine that it is a romance where the great plot twist is that they were siblings all along, congrats your tag system ruined a perfect plot twist

    these are just a few of problem of the tag system, why not just put a new tag system for erotica if the plot is relevant or simply a bunch of sex scenes why not put a brief description of all the story in the tags
     
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    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    Bright_Lucky_Star [Previously Known as OrdinaryUser] The Blessed One

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    Is that sign language?
     
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    no, its hnad masturbation porn
     
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    :sweating_profusely::blob_grin::blobjoy::ROFLMAO:
     
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    The point of my post that you quote are your definition of vanilla is not standard. A standard definition of vanilla is depend on culture, which in asian, anal and 3some is not.

    This also happen with your suggestions. Like road to kingdom that you use. Earlier chapter is vanilla, then suddenly BOOM it become fetish. Same issue.

    Name a story where this situation happen? This kind of story are rare and if the plot twist only happen at the end then the tag only added at the end. Lots of way this kind of info can be accessed. LCD, spoiler forum, novel review, comment section.

    And with current tag, I can avoid this “trap” since I probably hate incest no matter how good is the story. With your suggestions, I can’t.

    That the biggest weakness of your solution. It weaken the capability of filtering, either include or exclude. Once again I ask, how many story that have incest and BDSM? What if I love BDSM but not incest? How can I filter those kind of stories with your solution?

    I don’t understand what you try to explain in this sentence. You mean have a new tag : erotica for Porn with plot and ?

    Why are the issue that you are trying to solve by introducing the new tag and removing the existing tag? Up untill now you only explain what are the issue that probably can be solve with the new tag but you never address the issue that arise with the removal of existing tag
     
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