I llloooooooovvvveeeeee your thesis! What an excellent observation and analysis. The author did an amazing job if he was able to manipulate the readers so much into feeling so strongly for the characters for mostly the misinterpreted reason. It makes me wonder if the author was doing this as an call out for most korean novels or for the fans. I totally agree with your arguments and that’s what makes this story even better. Heinly being the actual villain which sure applies for the empire. But obviously history is being told by the winners and the author focuses on Navier’s pov a lot which paints Heinley in a good light, since to her Heinley is not a villain. Which could also be true. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” It all depends on what POV we regard the story in. From the empire’s citizens it would be Heinley, Elegy and Trashta. From Navier’s POV it’s Sovietshit and Trashta. From Trashta’s POV its Navier and later the emperor and Heinley included. From the emperor’s POV it would be Heinley, Elegy and himself. Tbf “good and evil” is all in the eye of the beholder. It’s all about “who treats me better” But lets not dive too deep in philosophical stuff. My fav character of all time could be called the greatest asshole ever, but he is written so well that I can’t help but love him in both his worst and his best moments. From what I remember was that Anne was pretty smart and competent too. Henry was just trash.
Spoiler Having just finished the novel yesterday, I have an entirely different interpretation from you. Since you posted mostly about Heinley, I will share my interpretation. I was very uncomfortable with Heinley’s plot to remove magic from the wizards in the East. It’s a plot that he undertook for years before he met Navier. It takes a very long time to actually reduce magic in most cases. I point this out because at the end of the story, Navier reflects on the year she experienced so it means that the entire novel story of her marriage and divorce took place over less than two years and perhaps closer to 1.5 years. This means that as Heinley admitted, he plotted and executed this plan years ago. However, in my opinion, I have to separate the political side from the personal side. Just like our countries may be involved in questionable covert stuff that we don’t know, I see Heinley’s action the same way. I don’t agree with it but I know leaders of countries engage in this kind of thing like stealing technology, spying, etc. The difference here is that Heinley did stop his actions after Navier found out. For me personally, even though I didn’t agree with his plot, I felt the same way as Navier. She did feel bad that he stopped his plan from the point of view of a king who has to put the best interest of his empire first. Perhaps I have watched too many Chinese historical palace dramas but I really don’t think that from a political perspective what Heinley engaged in is abnormal for politics. And indeed the plot he carried out did come back to bite him in the butt. So it’s not like he got away without any major drawbacks. Even Navier had to get involved when the coalition came after the Western empire and tried to isolate the Western kingdom from the rest of the world. Navier, unlike some readers, are thinking of things from a political point of view when she found out about Heinley’s plan. I thought it was perfectly within her character and may I say, very much up to the standard of other brilliant heroines who engage in politics in historical drama. It’s not personal, it’s political. And even the East empire, despite knowing what Heinley did, decided to join hands with Heinley against the alliance. Why? Because while Stupidshoe and Heinley still hated each other, they had to put aside the personal for the political. The alliance was trying to destroy both the East and west kingdom. So, did the alliance have a personal grudge against both empires? It was surely political. I take issue with the belief that Navier somehow became a puppet or trophy empress after marrying Heinley. In fact, while Heinley was kidnapped by the alliance, who led the western empire? That’s right. Navier did. Who led the trade talks with Kapmen’s country? That’s right, Navier did. Who cleverly decided to use the exclusive trade with that country to entice the other countries to not join hands with the alliance to destroy the Western kingdom? Navier did. Who outwitted the arrogant leader of the alliance in his trap and won over other countries at his trap? Navier did. In fact, I will argue that Navier is the dominant person in her marriage. She respects Heinley as an emperor but Heinley respects her as an equal leader as well. In fact, Navier has counseled Heinley many times and he listened. She also tried to counsel him on being less cruel to his enemies because he’s the type of person who gives back ten fold when anyone mess with those he care about. Navier has been a very positive influence in Heinley’s life. In fact, if Navier tells Heinley something good or bad, his work life will suffer because of his emotions in the short term. Now regarding Heinley messing with nobles in the East, maybe I forgot but I don’t know what this claim is about. All I know is that he plotted and executed the magic loss. I thought it was Ergi who mingled and plotted against the nobles. Ergi and Heinley joined hands but I don’t think their plan coincide. I think it’s their goal that coincides. Heinley didn’t plan on falling in love with Navier. He didn’t plot Stupidshoe taking home trashta. He didn’t plot Stupidshoe sleeping with her. He didn’t plot Stupidshoe casting aside his wife for a baby and mistress. Heck, even Heinley was surprised about the divorce. When Navier proposed to Heinley, he was genuinely shocked. And Heinley even took up the grudge against Stupidshoe that he hurt Navier and cast her away. The only thing Heinley is guilty of in this soap opera with trashta, stupidshoe and Navier is nothing. Navier is a more expressive person by the time the novel ends. She tells Heinley she loves him. She kisses his cheeks. She caresses him. She hugs him. She scolds him. She’s just much more openly affectionate with him. Now, as to Ergi and Trashta, why exactly are you bringing Heinley into this? Ergi has the same goal as Heinley but not the same route to getting there. Heinley despises Trashta and stays away from her. And by the way, Trashta’s downfall is her own making. Nobody told her not to live a quiet, luxurious life in the palace. Yes, even in a harem there are actually concubines who live a peaceful quiet luxurious life. It’s the ambitious concubines who usually plot to their own undoing especially the ones who don’t have the brains to achieve their political aims. Trashta is just this sort. An uneducated person like her should have had the common sense to feel her lack of education within such a luxurious setting. Trashta is the perfect example of greed and ignorance. Sorry, but if Ergi took advantage of her ignorance and greed, it’s on her. Look at the maids like Arian and Delis. They knew their place, right? Trashta obviously didn’t understand hers. I mean, she knows she’s a slave and have many things to hide but she still wants to be in the limelight. I can’t blame anybody but Trashta for her own downfall. So, let me get this straight. Stupidshoe’s upbringing and life compelled him to bring in a mistress, mistreat his wife, and cheat on her? Right. And Heinley is greedy and calculating but Stupidshoe gets a pass even though he wants his mistress, his “false” baby and his ex-wife? Hmmm. I suppose that’s not being greedy? Calculating....I suppose stupidshoe plotting to marry his mistress for a year so that she can give birth to a legitimate heir and then divorcing her to remarry his ex-wife wasn’t calculating. It’s just that the joke ended up on him. And what did he do for the rest of the novel? Try to interfere in his ex-wife’s life by creepily begging her to come back to him even when she’s pregnant with her husband’s kids. He even tells her he will accept the kids and they can live together. What kind of person is this? Oh right, a narcissist. The man who thinks that the woman he ill-treated and cast aside for a false heir only did those things because of his upbringing. Well, how about this? Let’s just say that Heinley is calculating and greedy because of his upbringing in the palace. Well, I don’t really think being calculating is a flaw. A leader should possess that trait to evaluate plans comprehensively. As to villains in this story, well, I choose most clearly Trashta and Allen’s father. Why? It’s absolutely nothing to do with romance. I don’t see Trashta as a villain for her mistress role. That kind of thing is more like soap opera drama to me. I see Trashta as villain because: she accused an innocent maid, Delise, for something she didn’t do and cut off her tongue and confined her to jail. She hired assassins to kill Navier’s parents She hired assassins to kill Levitti As to Allen’s father, his constant blackmail of Trashta is classic Dickens villain. In fact, he reminds me very much of that author’s villains. Moreover, he was also involved in hiring assassins. That means aiding and abetting premeditated murder with Trashta. With Ergi, I really can’t call him a villain outright. He has a grudge for something that happened in the past with the former king’s harem. As far as I know he didn’t kill anybody so I put him as gray. With Stupidshoe and Heinley, as leaders of their respective countries, they have more legroom, in my opinion. Don’t forget that Stupidshoe was going to execute Sir Landre without a trial to coverup what the man discovered about his mistress. Even if he did, I wouldn’t see him as a villain because it’s within his power as a leader. I wouldn’t agree with it though. Heinley also killed Christa’s father and confined Christa. Oh, he also locked and tortured the duke of the East kingdom. I didn’t agree with that either but I acknowledge it’s within his power as a leader. The alliance leader is someone I don’t like but I think he’s well within his rights as a leader to plot against the East and west empires. It’s all politics and whoever is smarter and/or more powerful will survive.
If Rahsta had actaully gone full Guevara as was hinted in the webtoon this would have been way more intresting. But romace novels have this really bad problem of writing terrible antagonists with middle school tier motives for acting a certain way Good antagonists are the ones who atauclly make you double guess what's right and wrong. Or there so entertaining that you cant help but clap. KR novels ade incabale of wrtimg villians as anything other then one dimensional shitheads invtned to make the MC look better, smarter ect I will say that rahsta was a wasted oppiritny . Had the author actually written her even once percent better she could have been a great villan. I know these novels are written as a power fantasy where the MC is the most superior but even alot of poser fbasyas have great villans. FFXIV for example made me sympathize with a dude who commited ommicide A good villan can push a novel from mediocre romance to soemthing great. Of course this also depends on the fans who would need to stop calling other characters bitches and hoes for going against the MC KR novels have erased any kind of nuances and pushed in our heads yhat the MC must always be right which in turn will make sure we never get.any novel that thinks outside of the box I unironically also think that the Villaness genre has only cemented that veiw into peoples minds
I agree 100% with you. That opinion that Henry made Navier's divorce happen is people passing cloth to the stupid ex-husband
Yo, thank you so much. Argh, I wanted a little more tho. hehe, not blaming you, I'm thankful. i'm just the type of reader that tends to be interested in second character's relationship ( i worded this weirdly, i don't recall the right way to address them)
Spoiler: Heinley and Navier’s kids So, I find it interesting that a saint passing through the West kingdom warned Navier to make it so her kids get along. This is while she was pregnant and didn’t even know she was carrying twins. Spoiler: Navier dreams of two birds fighting over a crown Navier had this dream before the kids were born. She didn’t even think of this dream afterwards but it’s clear that the art shows it’s her kids fighting over the crown because one bird has purple eyes and the other has green eyes. It’s interesting to me because females are rarely known as rulers in that time. When Stupidshoe was thinking of making Trashta’s daughter emperor, he noted that there are some female rulers but it was still uncommon. Lars, the girl child of Navier and Heinley, is very much like Heinley in personality though she looks like Navier. Kai, the boy, is cool and quiet like Navier although he looks like Heinley. Spoiler: More pictures of Lars and Kai Spoiler: Lars the troublemaker So, one day Navier is walking outside with Sir Landre and she’s holding Lars in a swaddling cloth. The troublemaker Lars turns into a bird and promptly flies away from Navier right in front of Sir Landre. (Fortunately, Landre had already figured out that Heinley is a bird because of the entrapment that the alliance laid for Navier and Heinley at a new year’s gathering) Therefore, Navier told Landre to go get Heinley since the little troublemaker actually took to the sky flying and Navier can’t fly. lol This child is giving poor Navier a heart attack because Navier is thinking what if she falls from so high and also, where exactly did the child fly off to. Navier is in a state of panic and then she remembered that Heinley built a nest with jewels high up on a certain pillar. Navier runs there and sure enough, that little troublemaker is in the nest relaxing and gazing at the sun. Navier calls out to her and the little troublemaker starts flapping her wings in the nest and started dancing. It’s a dance she’s seen Heinley do as Queen. Navier simultaneously feels the urge to cry and laugh. However, just then, Heinley as Queen, comes and picks up the little troublemaker from the nest. The little troublemaker is squeaking and trying to get her way. However, Queen has a determined look in his eyes as he flies down and rests the little troublemaker in Navier’s palm. Heinley then turns into his human form, calls the child a troublemaker and changed her back into her human form. Navier starts to scold Heinley and accuse him because she thinks Lars is just like him. (It’s true lol) Heinley said he didn’t even fly yet when he was Lars age. He didn’t expect the little troublemaker to fly so soon. In addition, it seems that Heinley didn’t think that Lars could already will herself into the bird form. Usually he’s the one who turns them into the bird form otherwise they will automatically change after a long time so he changes them into their bird form for a couple hours each day and that’s normally in the privacy of their couple’s room. Anyway, Navier was able to wrap the child again in the swaddling cloth and take her back safely to their palace after Heinley flew back to his office. Spoiler: Twins fighting So, in the last chapter of the main story, Navier and Heinley watched over their kids sleep and then went to their couple’s room to spend time together. While there, after a while they hear the voice of crying birds. The two immediately rush to get dressed and run out to the room. They meet the twins in bird form fighting each other with their beaks. What are they fighting over? Some kind of branch in their nest. Heinley scolds them for fighting and he picks up Lars while Navier takes Kai. They bring them to the couple’s bedroom and the kids soon fall asleep. Navier thinks they became gentle birds again. Heinley thinks that the kids shouldn’t fight because their parents love each other. Well, Lars actually kicks Kai a lot since they were born. The good thing about this is that Navier is quite vigilant about them getting along because of what the saint told her. Spoiler: Heinley and the twins miss Navier This was just updated today. There’s a side story with Navier traveling to Kapmen’s country with him and she’s reported missing at sea. Heinley, who is back in the West kingdom, doesn’t know that she and Kapmen were rescued by the shady alliance leader, Angel. In fact, I believe Angel is plotting something so who knows if Navier is really out of danger. Regardless, Heinley and the kids don’t know where she is. All they heard is that she was thrown into the sea and disappeared. Sir Artina and Sir Landre, who were escorting her, are also looking for her. Anyway, McKenna stops Heinley from just leaving rashly with the kids to find Navier. This means the kids stopped as well. While McKenna is trying to reason with Heinley by physically holding him back, what does Lars do? She steps up and kicks Kai. Kai gets furious and bites her foot. Then Lars gets angrier and hit Kai over his head with her wings. Heinley is watching them fight too but it doesn’t turn into anything bigger.
Hi. I just want to ask. Is it just me, or Duke Elgy seems to have a bit of feelings/interest with Navier? Thank you.
So, people always question how could Rashta be pregnant with Alan’s baby when she runaway after giving birth. However, both Naver and the novel translation say that Rashta ran away from the viscount’s estate months after giving birth. See the translated quote below: Spoiler: Rashta runaway months after giving birth Rashta started pacing the room back and forth, her lips pursed in confusion. She carried the baby for ten months, and loved him with all her heart. As soon as she recovered from the shattering pain of labor, her baby was killed. The shock of it had driven her mad, and she had lived in a state of pain and distress for months, until she decided to run away from Viscount Roteschu’s estate, determined to die.
I was looking for confirmation on whether or not Gloryam was Sovieshu's real daughter or not. It seems like there's a lot of Korean sites claiming there's a sequel that goes into Gloryam being raised by bandits and living as a man named "Mote", and the priest who conducted the paternity test committing suicide after. Where exactly is this sequel story? Spoiler: Response to another post about Rashta's motivations and Allen This doesn't make any sense. Rashta begged Allen to marry her, but he refused, saying that he did love her but that he wasn't willing to give his life up for her. Lotteshu also gave Rashta the body of a dead baby and told her it was her child. This becomes an important plot point later, because she's so traumatized by this that she's unable to hold Gloryam, leading Sovieshu to think she'd be an abusive mother. (To be fair, he's probably right, but it is a little sad that Rashta has a lot of 'boy who cried wolf' going on and ends up being blamed for things she genuinely never did or intended.) So Rashta running away from Lotteshu and Allen is quite reasonable. Rather than being power hungry, Rashta has a permanent victim complex that leads her to lie and try to "secure" her position. She's also frankly pretty stupid. She isn't humble or hard working enough to acknowledge that she needs to study the social dynamics of the nobles much more than she does, and regularly ignores well meant advice. Duke Ergi does manipulate her towards stupider decisions than usual, but most of her downfall comes from her own pride and viciousness, which Ergi never influenced himself. (Things like: ripping the feathers off the blue bird to frame Navier, cutting the tongue of the maid who finds them, literally ignoring Ergi's advice about finding a delicate balance between pleasing Sovieshu, the commoners, and the nobility...) From what I can tell, Allen is a weak and pathetic son who is easily manipulated by his father. He's a lot like Sovieshu in the fact that he regrets Rashta leaving him only after she's gone, and pathetically keeps visiting her with Ian. This ends up causing all their lives to fall apart as Ian's silver hair is revealed at the palace and this is part of why all of them are caught and eventually accused of the crime of defrauding the Emperor. Allen is kind of so pathetic that even though he technically doesn't deserve to die for the crimes of his father, I honestly didn't feel too sorry for him when he got executed.
Spoiler: Paternity test It seems clear to me in the narration that she isn’t his daughter. The test was conducted in front of everyone. They drew Rasta’s, Gloriem’s, Sovieshu’s and Allen’s blood on the spot. They mixed the first three blood samples first and it showed that the liquid didn’t become clear. Then they did the other three and the liquid became clear. I don’t see how it was manipulated in front of everyone’s eyes. If people have doubt because Elgy said some nonsense to Sovieshu, it’s also strongly argued in the narrative that Elgy was buyin himself time to get away because of the conflict with the port. Plus, messing with Sovieshu’s mind is certainly a bonus for him since indeed that man became mentally unstable. Moreover, Sovieshu also seemed convinced, even to the end of the story, that he very likely might be infertile and it’s probably one of the reasons he chose not to take another wife but instead appoint Duke Troby as the next in line for the throne. Navier’s thoughts on the paternity test, prior to any of the above, also kind of conveyed that the test was reliable even though some thought it was unreliable because of the identical twin fathers issue that happened a long time ago. Of course we know why this happened because identical twins have the same dna considering they’re from one fertilized egg. So the test is otherwise reliable.
I'm not asking for your interpretation, I'm trying to confirm multiple Korean sources that explain a story about Gloryam growing up as a disguised man named Mote. I don't know why there'd be so many websites repeating this information if it wasn't true but I can't find the source material. I'm assuming it's currently behind paywall but I can't find any confirmation. From a wiki: Spoiler 친자 검사를 맡았던 신관이 자살한 사건이 알려지면서 사실상 소비에슈의 친자임이 어느정도 인정되어, 뻐꾸기 공주라는 누명에서 벗어나 "비운의 공주"라는 별명이 붙어지며 동정을 받게 되었다. 그러나 라스타는 명백한 대역죄인이였기에 글로리엠을 마냥 곱게 보지 않는 이들도 있었다. 외전에서 등장하는 인물인 "모테"는 바로 글로리엠 본인이다. 글로리엠을 입양(사실은 유괴)한 상시천의 부두목 부부는 글로리엠이 대역죄인 라스타의 딸이라는 것을 알게되자 그녀의 안전을 걱정해 모테라는 이름을 지어주고, 머리색도 검은색으로 염색시키고 성별도 남성으로 위장시켜 키웠다. There's many more if you search 그로리엠 모테 on Google. I'm not allowed to post links unfortunately. Reasons the paternity test were false as Ergi said: Spoiler • The priest supposedly commits suicide afterwards. • He only drew blood from Gloryam once, and it was dropped from a special device rather than directly from Gloryam's hand. When he confirmed that Allen was supposedly Gloryam's father, he simply used the same blood he'd already drawn. • Ergi suddenly showed up with Ian. He could've easily supplied the priest with Ian's blood to use as if it was Gloryam's blood.
Spoiler I don’t know what happened in the side stories but if Sovieshu was really the father then the author was very cruel to him. It would have been the only person that he can find joy in considering he lost all of his other personal relationships. In any case, Ergi brought Ian “after” the tests were already conducted and the results announced so I don’t know what that Korean spoiler is suggesting. Everything was done in the open. All the cuts were made in front of everybody. Sovieshu was right in front of the priest. A special tool was used to draw the baby’s blood. They can’t very well cut her like they did the adults. More importantly, the test proved that the baby wasn’t Sovieshu’s kid. In my opinion, they didn’t even need to do the test with Allen but I think Sovieshu wanted to confirm that Allen was the father. In any case, the instrument to draw the baby’s blood never left the sight of the people around the priest. It’s kind of ridiculous to say the test was manipulated when the same instrument that was used for the baby’s blood showed different results for both men. If the instrument was tampered with (Ian wasn’t there at the time) in some other way, I would think the results for both men would be the same inconclusive results. Sovieshu’s result remained bloody and Allen’s results came out clear to indicate a match.The narrative also doesn’t support the opinion that Sovieshu is the father.
Volume I Completed - 262 Chapters (Soveishit has picked himself up : Upgraded to Soveishu due to the motivational letter given by Navier Volume II : Continuing (latest chapter is about Duke Ergy's Past) •Maybe, we will see Rashta's Children •We will see Kai and Larry •Navier's brother's story •Sovieshu (maybe he will too get some sweets, of author is generous on him) •Kampmen's story (if you know about the proposal. • to be added....
That's Trash perspective.. but she could sleep with Alan to have another baby from him.. but when discovery that it will not change anything she run away.. its what i think... If you see. the diference of age of both TRash babys is not more than 2y.. because this i think that she didn't stay "months" in distress.. but only 2 or 3 months.. and try again be pregnant...
I didn’t say she didn’t sleep with him. What I was pointing out is that she ran away months after giving birth so that provided time for her to get pregnant again with his baby. Previously people were saying how can she get pregnant again when she ran away after giving birth. The quote I posted therefore provided the answer that she stuck around long enough to get pregnant by him again.
I understand it! I'm only completing your post .. a woman can be pregnant again if isn't breastfeeding, because the prolactin is the hormone that product the milk and inibe the ovulation.. like if she isn't breastfeeding in one month she could be pregnant again..
So, I see that some people believe that Navier was infertile and the magic bed healed her. Others thinks she was fertile all along. I believe she was fertile all along because she got pregnant very soon after marriage. Even if a bed does healing properties, I don’t know about making an infertile person fertile.
I say it too!! Because woman infertility isn't reversible... because we born with all our ovulos, and if they didn't mature.. isn't a magic bed that will made it! And they eat the cookies when kids... because this the probability to infertility go to Shovieshit and not to Navier, that already has all her ovulos!! Man's make the spermatogenesis for most of their life's... but this can't make good sperm's.. and i think that's Shovieshit problem...
I think so too. Heinry older brother 'The previous King' also infertile, if the magic bed has healing properties, it could heal him too but no. I think the magic bed only transfer mana from one to another, that's why Navier became 'Ice Wizard'.