Question Should I use is or was?

Discussion in 'Translator's Corner' started by wigglegui, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. wigglegui

    wigglegui Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2018
    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    21
    Reading List:
    Link
    Sort of confused about this part. I was told that I should always translate in past tense, but there are some parts which made me think if I should use 'is' or 'was'

    Example 1: Is it "Tan En was the patriarch" or "Tan En is the patriarch".
    In this context, Tan En was still alive and the current patriarch in the novel.

    Example 2: Is it "Holy City was the most prestigious city in the entire continent" or "Holy City is the most prestigious city in the entire continent".
    In this context, Holy City was still currently the most prestigious city in the entire continent.
     
  2. raven

    raven What to type?

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2015
    Messages:
    878
    Likes Received:
    1,052
    Reading List:
    Link
    I am not an expert, but if living or alive you have to use "is".
     
  3. NewbArtist

    NewbArtist *Blubg

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    130
    Likes Received:
    100
    Reading List:
    Link
    "Tan En was(past) the patriarch" "Tan En is(present) the patriarch"
     
  4. Liyus

    Liyus Laksha's Desu~ Cat

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    4,216
    Likes Received:
    4,757
    Reading List:
    Link
    how is that confusing?both are "is", since both actualy exist/alive and the status didn't change....
     
  5. kelkel1133

    kelkel1133 Well-known Devil

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2017
    Messages:
    749
    Likes Received:
    415
    Reading List:
    Link
    the two sentences would be placed as present. The context portrays the two as the current reigning entities so it would be wise to use "is" as opposed to the nature of the sentence (past tense)
     
    Slayerwolfx2 likes this.
  6. Beer_Kitty

    Beer_Kitty Just a very very drunk kitty that likes beer

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2017
    Messages:
    3,107
    Likes Received:
    2,308
    Reading List:
    Link
    You should really read the meaning of present, future and past tense again.
    Present = still on going
    Future = will happen later on
    Past = already done

    Both example should be is. Also your own message about the example is contradicting.
    Youre using was for past tense while using still which looks like a present tense.
    It should be Tan En "is" still the patriach etc.
     
    Slayerwolfx2 likes this.
  7. AtratusImperator

    AtratusImperator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2017
    Messages:
    292
    Likes Received:
    333
    Reading List:
    Link
    It depends on the narrative tone (whether 1st, 2nd, 3rd person and whether its present tense or past tense or some mix) for the story or text and whether or not what is being used is in speech or not.

    Really you'd need to provide the actual text/line you're having trouble with and the lines before and after it.
     
    Laurence02, wigglegui and Ranka like this.
  8. Dizzcity

    Dizzcity Watching generations of fans rise and fall away

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2015
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    894
    Reading List:
    Link
    Is the rest of the novel in past tense? If so, use was to retain consistency. Was can be used to describe present circumstances too, under certain narrative conditions like this.
     
  9. Reindeer

    Reindeer RynDeeVuo

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,758
    Likes Received:
    2,061
    Reading List:
    Link
    I.... think it's all on past tense?

    "Something'er, being the gifted son of Lolidk, had unparalleled skills all throughout the lands. Although he was only 16 years old, he was able to join the Red Typhoon corps which was the strongest corps in the entire imperial army."

    Sounds a bit weird on its own but it fits well when with the others.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2018
    wigglegui likes this.
  10. Elawn

    Elawn 『Binge Reader』

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2016
    Messages:
    781
    Likes Received:
    1,142
    Reading List:
    Link
    I get what you're talking about, use "was".
    Because if you use past tense for everything and suddenly revert to the present it just sounds awfully awkward.
     
    Laurence02 and wigglegui like this.
  11. Zalpha

    Zalpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2016
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    488
    Reading List:
    Link
    'was' is past tense and 'is' current tense. If you are talking about the past or it is set in the past, you would use 'was'. If you are talking about the current time line, then 'is' would be the word used.
    If the reader does not know that it is taking place in the past, you should use 'is', if they do know it is set in the past then 'was' would be correct.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2018
    Slayerwolfx2, wigglegui and Westeller like this.
  12. Westeller

    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2016
    Messages:
    8,176
    Likes Received:
    24,961
    Reading List:
    Link
    It really depends on the context, but most of the time you're describing actions that have happened opposed to actions that are happening immediately. The difference between "@Tony took his shirt off again" and "@Tony slowly begins lifting the hem of his shirt" - one action just took place, and the other is happening at this very moment. You're almost always going to use the former.

    For statements like "@Tony is/was a stripper," you're not describing an action. You're describing a state of existence, and the determination isn't "is this a concluded action?" .. It's "is this still true?"

    Since the answer is definitely YES, it's "@Tony is a stripper."
     
  13. Zalpha

    Zalpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2016
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    488
    Reading List:
    Link
    [​IMG]

    Maybe this would help.
     
  14. ayyshadow

    ayyshadow Eternal Lurker || Lover of Anything Fluffy

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2017
    Messages:
    395
    Likes Received:
    2,004
    Reading List:
    Link
    I'm no grammar expert, but as far as i know, if the context you mentioned is in description and you've been using past tense to describe your story the whole time, then the correct answer is to use "was". Why? Because you've been placing yourself as a narrator who's re-telling a story from the past (meaning those events had already happened).

    But if they are mentioned in conversation, example: "Oh who is X?"
    "She is the leader of Guild Z."
    Then, using "is" will be correct.
     
  15. wigglegui

    wigglegui Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2018
    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    21
    Reading List:
    Link
    Okay, for example 1: "In the Holy Sect, Tan En was the patriarch and his judgement was mattered the most" or "In the Holy Sect, Tan En is the patriarch and his judgement is mattered the most"
     
  16. wigglegui

    wigglegui Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2018
    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    21
    Reading List:
    Link
    Just to clarify, I do understand how to use present tense and past tense in everyday life. It's just that I remember seeing some posts saying that, you either write everything in past tense, or in present tense.
    I am currently writing the story in past tense and was thinking to just write everything in past tense(except for dialogues). But there were some parts that I felt weird to use past tense when translating.
     
  17. wigglegui

    wigglegui Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2018
    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    21
    Reading List:
    Link
    Yeah, that is how I am currently translating. But just want to post and see what are other's opinion.
     
  18. AtratusImperator

    AtratusImperator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2017
    Messages:
    292
    Likes Received:
    333
    Reading List:
    Link
    Unless that's speech it should be 'was', also the second 'is/was' shouldn't be there. In the Holy Sect, Tan En was the Patriarch and his judgment mattered the most. Like what this guy said modified slightly to be specific in his example:



     
    wigglegui likes this.
  19. Slayerwolfx2

    Slayerwolfx2 [Immortal Forever]

    Joined:
    May 23, 2017
    Messages:
    1,939
    Likes Received:
    2,550
    Reading List:
    Link
    Now he is not.
    He still is.

    When describing events use past tense, but as others have pointed out, it depends.
    You didn't give us much of an example to work with.
    Depending on the situation, you could use either was, or is.

    Example:
    "Tan En was the patriarch after all. Such foolishness couldn't get by unpunished."

    This can be interpreted only in one way, unlike your example. Tan En still is the patriarch, but I'm using "was".

    Now it's not.
    It still is.

    In conclusion,
    The examples you're giving translate to that, but it depends on the context.
     
  20. ToastedRossi

    ToastedRossi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2017
    Messages:
    3,635
    Likes Received:
    3,515
    Reading List:
    Link
    A novel, or any other piece of fiction, is telling a story. In essence, it's talking about events that have already happened so they're almost always in past tense. If you're writing your own story, it's best to stick to that past tense unless you really know what you're doing, and the same goes for translating. Even if the original novel was written in the present tense (or even future tense), a novice translator should probably still stick to past tense for anything other than dialogue.
    You will want to use "was" for both of these. "Was" does mean "in the past", but it doesn't really have the connotation of "is no longer". For example, I can use the sentence, "In 1900, New York City was the largest city in the US". This sentence is perfectly fine whether or not New York City is currently the largest city in the US
    because what it does is try to capture a specific moment in time. The examples you're talking about do exactly the same thing, just without mentioning the actual time. In the case where the past tense is confusing, you can use the construction "was already" instead, but this shouldn't be necessary for translations since the original should already account for this.
     
    wigglegui likes this.