Spoiler The Founder of Diabolism

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    If anyone is celebrating... Happy Mid-Autumn Festival ! :blobparty::blobparty::blobparty:
    Wishing you all many happy moments with loved ones and with MDZS / CQL too (wishing lots of bunny love for dear Wangxian!)

    Shout-out to the Koreans tonight... I see so many beautiful fanarts of Wangxian and other MDZS / CQL characters dressed up in hanbok and traditional Korean costumes. They. Are. So. Beautiful !!! :cry::cry::cry: Happy Chuseok !!!
     
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    OMG the amount of mid autumn festival-related fanart and fanworks flooding my internet is staggering :blob_grin::blob_grin::blob_grin: I didn't get as much in the previous years but this year's CQL additions just make the whole experience so much for fulfilling! Thank you for wonderful meals !!! :cookie::cookie::cookie:

    New Bazaar featuring other CQL cast members, hooray! :blobparty:

    Jade Dynasty opens today and clips are already leaking out from the cinemas. If anyone's watching twitter, look (and hear) how many of Xiaozhan's (heartbroken) fans are screaming and crying at the kissing scene!!! :blob_teary::blob_teary::blob_teary: And look at the comments, the reaction gifs and pics... many are putting screenshots/memes from CQL showing the characters with crying, fainting, and angry expressions.. and understandably a number of them with LanZhan's distressed looks too... It's upsetting for some fans, but as a whole, it's kinda funny how this whole thing is turning out to be... *don't know whether to laugh or cry now... so I'll stick with this neutral face::blobneutral::blobneutral::blobneutral:*

    I feel sad for the Thai XiaoZhan fans, having to go through this phase before meeting up with the real person and the rest of the CQL cast at the fanmeet next week... stay strong!!! :blobhero::blobhero::blobhero:

    p.s. to be fair, I'm seeing quite a number of good comments about XiaoZhan's acting skills in Jade Dynasty (and the movie overall), even saw a couple of clips where he was innocent / good vs. badass / evil. I think at one point, he said he would be interested to take up Xue Yang's role if given the chance - and now I can imagine how Xue Yang looks like if Xiao Zhan was the actor :blob_plusone::blob_plusone::blob_plusone:

    At least we get to see XiaoZhan naked from waist up, and imagine that YES THIS IS HOW WEI YING LOOKS LIKE WHEN LAN ER GEGE STRIPS HIM AND PUSHES HIM DOWN TO BED... :blobReach::blobReach::blobReach: *molests the computer screen coz the nips look so tempting*

    (and god yes I was right, XiaoZhan really forced himself to lose weight for CQL, coz in Jade Dynasty he looks fine (and nicely tanned). Some lickable ribs there but at least there's meat on the bones, unlike the peek of thin bony chest we saw in CQL.. Please eat more and stay healthy, Zhan Ge.. :sushi_chubby::sushi_chubby::sushi_chubby:)


    And.. I read something about the MDZS S3 audio drama extra 2 released today?? I've no idea what this is, but someone mentioned this being another scene in Incense Burner, and the cover pic is the scene of Wei Ying showing a flustered Lan Zhan the porn book during their student days. Is this a sex scene?? Can my ears be blessed with more moaning and kissy sounds?? :blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed:
     
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    Can someone explain to me something? Wei Wuxian came back from the dead after 13 years, right? Why do I see some people say 16 years? Or in the beginning of the episode 1 season 1 of the donghua it says 23 years. Is that a typo? I'm just so confused about it.
     
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    I think someone pointed out a few pages back... the no. of years seem to differ according to the adaptation. The novel says 13 years. CQL says 16 years.

    I also posted a bit on this when I officially joined this forum. 16 years in CQL sounded odd. Because when the story switches back to "16 years ago" at the end of episode 2, WWX JC and Shijie just arrived at Caiyi Town. Add the time they spent at Cloud Recesses, then those times when Wens attacked, the clans fought back, WWX's 3-month disppearance when he picked up the dark arts at Burial Mound, then WWX's exile to the remaining Wen village, his 1-year wait between Shijie's marriage and birth of Jin Ling... until the time he finally fell off the cliff and "died" - it is definitely much less than 16 years of WWX's disappearance. So maybe 13 sounds more reasonable even in CQL's storyline.

    My take on this, from CQL perspective, is that when Wei Ying woke up in Cloud Recesses with Lan Zhan's guqin music in eps 32/33 (sorry now I'm beginning to forget the episode number :blobcheeky: ), and he says "It's been 16 years...", it didn't mean "16 years since I disappeared from the face of the earth", but rather "it's been 16 years since we first met" :blob_grin:
     
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    Mannerisms!

    Someone in twitter compiled clips of Wei Ying rubbing/touching his nose which is his trademark gesture for curiosity / cheekiness / thinking deeply. It happened at least 5x in CQL (twice 16 years ago, twice 16 years after, once when he was a little boy... there may be more). Other characters also seem to have meme-able and memorable gestures too.

    Do these happen explicitly and described in the novel? Or are these gestures created by the actors?

    • Wei Ying rubbing/touching his nose, as mentioned above.
    • Lan Zhan when standing still or walking, his left hand visibly clenched at his back (near the waist). I know this is one of those gestures typical of highly-esteemed people in wuxia/xianxia, but Yibo sometimes does this a bit too frequently / forcefully that it looks unnatural (even uncomfortable).
    • The unforgettable eye-rolling by Jiang Cheng and Jin Zixuan whenever they feel exasperated or dealing with annoying crap.
    • Lan Xichen's close-eyes-looks-down-and-sighs-heavily as though his heart is broken every time Jin Guangyao's wrongdoing is further exposed. I counted more than 10x in the last few episodes.
    • Ah, Wei Ying's tears. He cries so beautifully. Does the novel describes how sad he looked and how tears stream down the face as CQL depicted?
    • There are probably more gestures, please add to the list too if you find any more! :blob_grin:
    • EDIT: Wei Ying doing his three-finger "I promise" salute. At least 2-3x in CQL.
    • EDIT: Wei Ying puffing up his cheeks and pouting, especially when he's acting like a 3-year old didi with his Shijie around.
     
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    That would be quite strange in my opinion. If he meant that it's been 16 years since they met, it would mean they spend like 3 years knowing each other before his death. And it's definitely more than that.

    I also know about the 16 years before the drama release. But if I think about it, they might have put some hints or something in trailers or promos and that's why people started to say that it's 16 and not 13? I didn't know about the drama until one or two days before airing so I'm not sure if from this started everything.

    Although I don't understand why they felt the need to change the number of years.
     
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    I like your analysis, especially on whether Wei Wuxian really spent 3 years getting to know Lan Zhan before the cliff incident (y)

    I just did some quick maths. I probably forgotten or mixed up some events... and I'll add extra buffer for those missed events.

    Arrive at Caiyi Town, study at Cloud Recesses, meet Lan Zhan, finally get kicked out or finished studying after WWX's naughty shenanigans - 3 months

    Investigation of the Yin metal, travelling together - 3 months

    Wens attack, forced our boys to study at Wen's place, Xuan Wu cave, etc. - 3 months

    Clans unite to fight back the Wens, including WWX's 3-months disappearance at Burial Mounds where he gained ChenQing flute and dark arts - 6 months max.

    All the stuff happening with Jins rising and bossing everyone, stuff about Stygian tiger amulet, WWX rescuing and then become exiled and ended up setting up shop with the remaining Wens in the Burial Mounds - 6 months max. (note: A-yuan remains as a kid, so if several years passed, then he would have grown up a bit more.. but he hasn't)

    WWX receives note about Shijie's marriage, Wen Ning fully becomes fierce corpse/Ghost General, WWX having fun at Yiling town and officially becomes known as Yiling Laozu - 3 months

    There is a clear "1 year later" during which Yiling Laozu lives peacefully at the Wen village with Wen Qing, Wen Ning and A-yuan, helping the Wens in their daily lives, and growing and selling radishes. A distressed Lan Zhan gets leg-hugged by A-yuan, before he reunites with his badass boyfriend Yiling Laozu / WWX. Jin Ling is born. - 1 year

    Things quickly escalated when the Stygian tiger amulet story is brought up again by the greedy clans, and they try to find / arrest Yiling Laozu. Wen Ning goes out of control and kills Jin Zixuan. Wens surrendered themselves to the Jins and gets wiped out. Yiling Laozu goes mad with despair and the rest is history. - 3 months

    So, it looks like a little more than 3 years between when Wangxian first met in Cloud Recesses, and separated at the cliff.

    Any other theories and thoughts? :hmm:

    EDIT: If the maths work out this way, that means WWX disappeared for only 13 years, starting close to the time when Jin Ling was born (and lost his dad). So, Jin Ling is only 13 years old (or less) when he first bumped into Mo Xuanyu/WWX while setting up those golden nets to catch the monsters or when showing off his awesome archery skills when the Dancing Goddess statue attacked... :sweating_profusely: So young! What was I doing when I was 13 years old ?! :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy:
     
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    Adding all that in the drama, he died around 18-19? In the novel he dies around 20+ It's so confusing I can't even.

    15 when arriving in Cloud Recesses. He is kicked out 3 months later and 1 year passes till Jiang Cheng's return.

    So they are around 16-17 when they go to the archery competition organised by the Wen's.

    I don't know how much time passes after Wen Ruohan gets pissed that no one from his sect ranked a place in the competition, burns Cloud Recesses and takes the heirs of the other sects and puts them under Wen Chao's control. They spent like 7 days in that cave so they are still around that age.

    Then follows Lotus Pier's doom. Wei Wuxian being thrown to Burial Mounds and spends 3 months there. With the war and all that followed I assume it passes at least a year or something? I need to check the novel again. But there's too much and I don't have that much time. Although I do remember that it was not easy to kill Wen Ruohan and they spent quite a lot of time trying to find a way of killing him. Nie Mingjue getting captured, Jin GuangYao torturing him in front of Wen Ruohan. haha. Wei Wuxian spending lots of time playing the flute day and night. (If anyone who read the novel reads this can you remind me if Wei Wuxian confronted Wen Ruohan face to face? I don't think he did, I remember him saying that he wouldn't stand a chance).

    After the Sunshot campaign I assume some time passed since he was doing quite well before Wen Qing came. Then he went to rescue the remaining Wen's. And again I don't remember well, but they did spend quite a lot of time on Burial Mounds right?? For once they seemed to have already settled there for some time when Lan Wangji came and told him about the wedding. After the wedding at least one year passed till Jin Ling was born plus one month since he was invited at his one month anniversary.

    After the events at Nightless City he died 3 months later.

    I read the novel quite a while ago and my mind is in a blur. The big gap I have is the time he spent as the Yiling Patriarch, but I'm sure he was at least 2 years.

    I think Jin Ling is confirmed to be 14 years at the start of the novel and 15 at the end of it.

    Anyway, I was only interested to know from where did the 16 years thing came from.
     
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    That's a nice summary of the chronology of events according to the novel you've made - thanks! (y) I haven't read that far in the novel and have already forgotten chunks of it by now. We can re-visit this if another forum member has other perspectives about how the novel's timeline works :blob_plusone:

    So I tried to do the math for your timeline, and adding lots of buffer for a conservative estimate... and yeah maybe WWX died at the age of 21 (plus or minus a year).
    At that time, Jin Ling is probably a little under a year old.
    13 years later, WWX comes back and Jin Ling is 14 years old.
    LWJ, assuming to be the same age as WWX, would be 21 + 13 = 34 years old when WWX returned.
    At that point, LXC should be near his forties.
    Jiang Cheng in early thirties.
    A-yuan, whom I'm assuming to be a toddler below 4 years of age when WWX died, would be at most 4 + 13 = 17 years old as Lan SiZhui when the WWX returned.
    Still trying to figure the characters' ages, and trying to pair the numbers with what I visually see in the donghua and in CQL... and whether everything makes sense...
    :hmm:

    If anything, I think the 13 or 16 or 23 years of waiting for WWX to return, is mostly decided to make sure the young disciples' ages are appropriate when they're introduced into the story.
    Lan Zhan could have been made to wait just for 5 years, with other events in-between are re-arranged or shortened, and the outcome would still be the same... I guess? As long as they're able to investigate and track down the owner of the possessed hand and eventually expose Jin Guangyao's evil deeds, that would lead readers to the main resolution and ending... right? :hmm:

    It would be sad though, if the young disciples were too young to participate in the story. I don't think Jin Ling's absence will impact much to the main storyline other than losing the Big Reveal at the beginning about Shijie's son, along with loss of funny moments with Uncle Jiang Cheng and Fairy. Lan Jingyi may not be missed that much too, other than his fallen chicken wing :blobjoy: But I wonder how the absence of LanSiZhui will play out and affect the main storyline... :blob_teary:
     
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    Aaaand I missed a key character - Mo Xuanyu. At least in CQL I know that the young disciples kept calling WWX-in-MXY-body as "Senior"... So if Lan Sizhui is around 17, then MXY would be around 18-early 20's.

    Which means at the present time, the highly-esteemed middle-aged oyaji Han Guang Jun has been putting his hands on college freshman kid Wei Wuxian... :blobowoevil_horns:

    For those of you who are old enough to remember a yaoi manga called Viewfinder, you know what I'm thinking... *wiggles eyebrows*:blobthinkingsmirk::blobthinkingsmirk::blobthinkingsmirk: did mxtx read this masterpiece and got inspiration from it, I wonder.........

    Asami Ryuichi x Takaba Akihito smells similar to Wangxian, albeit with sweeter and fluffier power/relationship dynamics.:blobowoevil_horns:
     
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    Yes, this is close to the math I did for their ages too. I think the absence of SiZhui wouldn't affect the story much. He is like a little gift to us more than anything. Something that connects the two main characters in a way. But let's not forget that they would have ended up together anyway, with or without SiZhui's existence. (And the only repercussion would be that no Wen would be left alive I think) If I remember correctly, even the author herself said that she forgot about SiZhui at the end and put their reunion in the last chapters. Sadly the story could survive without any of the young disciples, but I love them so much and I'm glad that each and every single one of them exists to bring joy to the story and a sense of peace and innocence. I love even Ouyang ZiZhen (if I wrote his name correctly) and he is not even part of the trio. I don't know, this author has a way to make likeable characters.

    Mo XuanYu should be around 20+. I think the same age when Wei Wuxian died or at least close. SiZhui kept referring to him as Senior Mo, so yes, he is definitely older than them.

    HanGuang-Jun got his hands on fresh meat :blobjoy::blobjoy: not that it really matters since they are cultivators and will look good for a long time to come. Look at Lan Qiren! Old, but if you shave that goatee he'll become a hot mess.

    I used to love that manga! It was one of the firsts BL I read who actually had action and kept my interest for a while. But the updates were so slow so I gave up :blobjoy:
     
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    WHEEZE WANGXIAN :blobsob:
    everyone, even if you don't follow the audio drama, you should definitely listen to today's episode. they did the Guanyin confession scene verbatim from the novel and it's soooo amazing alsfj;wegjalw this is the dialogue we deserve. some cuts are translated on this twt acc
    of course it's 90% WWX talking and in my head all I can imagine is Xiao Zhan's WWX bc they sound exactly the same. who ever made this executive decision to share the voice actor, wow their minds :blobhighfive:
     
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    The first couple of videos I watched from Piaoming's channel were his earlier reviews of the MVs (Wei Wuxian's and Lan Wangji's). The moment he said that Wei Wuxian (referring to Xiao Zhan) looks good and that he felt attracted to his beauty even as a man - damn, that got me HARD :blobnosebleed:

    I wish I knew Thai language, because yes their reactions are REALLY GOOD AND TOUCHING AND CUTE. I watched a few of their reactions for the earlier episodes in youtube... it was really heartwarming when all of them, both men and women, felt and reacted similarly every time there was a wrist/shoulder grab, exchanging pining gazes, Lan Zhan and Wei Ying's show of undying love / friendship for each other, even touching scenes about the Yunmeng trio or Wangxian heartbreaks. It's feels like CQL speaks to universal human emotions, regardless of age, language, race and gender!:blobicecreamlove:

    I watched only a few of Avenue X's critique videos.. (Guardian, and the 2 for CQL).. yeah, I agree, she is very thorough and thoughtful in her narrative. I liked it when she did those little dainty "clapping" for the stuff that CQL did well. I was screeching, singing praises, and giving standing ovations at the same time on the other side of the screen, because I wholeheartedly agree with what she says, and coming from her, it felt like my thoughts and feelings have been validated... :blob_pompom::blob_pompom::blob_pompom:

    Hmm.. after reading your comments, I agree with you that the young disciples, as a whole, play more of a side-character role to the story... and yeah, removing them (and re-arranging some bits of the story) will not impact the main storyline.

    What of Wen Ning? Does he play any crucial plot points in the story? At least in CQL, his character felt more like a comedic relief, and the only key roles I could remember is
    (1) 16 years ago: Wen Ning saving Jiang Cheng when the latter tried to attack the Wens and ended up losing his GC,
    (2) Wen Ning killing Jin Zixuan, thus setting off the start of the downhill road for the Wens and Yiling Laozu,
    (3) 16 years later: It was Wen Ning who revealed to Jiang Cheng about the truth of his GC

    (1) maybe JC will still be able to survive and escape from the Wens' clutches, even without Wen Ning. Looking at the Wen's arrogance, they probably wouldn't mind releasing JC since they didn't see him as a threat anymore.
    (2) at least in CQL, there were a number of marauding fierce corpses near the Burial Mounds. So, if the plots is slightly changed, Su She could have just controlled one of them and make it attack Jin Zixuan at the right opportunity, with the same results. And instead of blaming Yiling Laozu, they could have created stories to say that it was the surviving Wens who are responsible for Zixuan's death, thus dragging Wei Wuxian down too.
    (3) If the truth of the GC was never revealed to Jiang Cheng, I guess the story still wouldn't change that much in the end. Probably a little sadder and unfulfilled for the readers.

    Haha! I saw photo-edits of people removing Lan Qiren's goatee.. in the donghua, he looks absolutely gorgeous anyway ("bishounen"-style :blobwink:), while in CQL he looks fine, though rather aged.

    Yes, Viewfinder was one of my first loves too! :blobfistbumpL::blobfistbumpR: I too, lost interest after a while when the story seemed to go nowhere, the artist fell ill and releases/updates became sporadic. For what it's worth, the initial storyline was amazing, and sex scenes were the hottest I'd seen (at that time), and now I can imagine Lan Zhan being a quiet, serious/predatory-looking and yesssss filthy-rich Asami, while Wei Ying being the joyful/energetic/too-smart-for-his-own-good young man who seems to attract trouble and annoys everyone everywhere and eventually falls into Lan Zhan's hands.... :blobnosebleed:

    DAMN THAT GOT ME A HARD BONER :blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed:
    I couldn't concentrate on the words... I know the dialogue is the climax of the confession scene... but...
    I just hear Lan Zhan's heavy panting/breathing when Wei Ying said "you're especially good, I like you"
    And towards the end when everything sounds chaotic and messed up WITH HEARTBEATS, it nearly sounded like two of them having sex with my headphones...

    (y)
     
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    Hold up.. I thought the Guanyin temple confession scene has Wei Ying saying something about "go to bed with you every day" which is where the Everyday Is Everyday comes from.

    Is this still in the audio drama?

    I don't have access to the latest chapter, sorry.
     
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    Oh yes! Viewfinder was epic!! The illustrations were so beautiful, my favorite though was Fei Long! The updates were so slow and the translations even slower, plus I used to follow the fandom on Livejournal which gradually disappeared :( There was another manga/anime I liked called Haru Wo Daiete / Embracing Love by Youka Nitta.
     
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    :bloblove::bloblove::bloblove:
    Uwaaaa another long lost brother/sister of the Viewfinder fandom!!! *hugggggggz* :blob_grin::blob_grin::blob_grin: And from Livejournal too!! :blobhighfive: After the scanlation group went underground and releases became very hard to come by, I just kinda stopped following them. Such unfortunate end...

    Yassss I love the illustrations too, both colored and black/white ones! There was always a bit a variety in the story setting which I appreciated too, bless the mangaka's creativity! Such as seeing the change from Asami's usual business suit to floral-patterned beach wear (dear lord, the side story when they were at the holiday island...). Now if only Lan Zhan could be imagined / drawn wearing something different from the usual white-light blue robes... :blobangel:
    Fei Long :blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed: At first I didn't like him coz he was the bad guy, but he was so sexy and became Asami's love-rival, and eventually has a lover I guess... if I try to make parallels, Fei Long could be the alternate persona of Jiang Cheng. I don't know why I keep remembering Fei Long wearing purple flowing chinese traditional clothes... which kinda matches Jiang Cheng's... and both have really grumpy sour-grape personalities too... :blobowoevil_horns:

    Oooh Haru wo Daiete!! When that appeared along with Viewfinder, I thought we were at the 'golden age' of yaoi/bl scanlations coz until today I couldn't find the same feeling as living during the times when these 'big two' titles were around... I didn't follow Haru wo's story as much as Viewfinder's coz I found it to be less sexy and exciting, but it had a long run - even went on a hiatus when the mangaka was suspended(??) for plagiarism - but it had a whole lot more attention and merchandise floating around... artbooks, CDs, anime too...
     
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    So many good fanarts from MDZS / CQL related to mooncakes, bunnies, paper lanterns, and moon-watching this weekend... BLESS !! :blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed:
    I really like those showing Wangxian eating mooncakes together, so lovely!
    I found one in twitter that was especially touching - it's about a mooncake cut into two halves, where chibi Wei Ying took one half and went off, while Jiang Cheng takes the other half and goes the other direction.... but Jiang Cheng's half has the whole salted egg yolk, while Wei Ying's just a gaping emptiness. It's so sad, when I read the comments and people pointed out what the salted egg yolk meant... :blob_teary::blob_teary::blob_teary:

    Even now I still find new bts clips of CQL. I think the latest one shows Yibo and Xiao Zhan sitting and playing with their handphones, while being pantless. Ahhhh.. I used to be in shock when I first saw pantless Lan Zhan and Wei Ying, but now I'm just like " :blob_sunglasses: "

    I can imagine post-CQL, Wangxian gets together and they travel around the world... surely they will make many stops, maybe stay in some places for a while.. surely they must change their wardrobe a bit, especially with the change of seasons... and surely, someday we can see Lan Zhan and Wei Ying actually wearing something thinner or even cooler pants instead of the usual stuffy flowing robes... and surely, surely, there will be chances for them to be pantless during the hot summer days... and there I go, daydreaming again :blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed:

    *shaves Wei Ying's legs* :blobhero:
     
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    I didn't think about it till now, but I guess Wen Ning is a character which can't be so easily put away and say that the story still stands strong.

    1. I don't know if the Wen's would release Jiang Cheng, especially after going through so much trouble of getting his hands on him. But as you said, giving their arrogance and after taking his golden core they could have done so to make him suffer more. (But that's only if it was Jiang Cheng alone) Once Wei Wuxian came into play and pissed them off even more, I don't know if they would be willing to let both of them go. (Maybe put them fight to death or kill one of them in front of the other or throw them both in the Burial Mounds - exactly how they did after catching Wei Wuxian alone).

    I believe that if it weren't for Wen Ning neither Wei Wuxian or Jiang Cheng would have escaped.

    Plus if they were to be thrown in Burial Mounds as they were, Wei Wuxian would still have his gc and Jiang Cheng would still be emtpy with his wish of death. Maybe the founder of diabolism would change to Jiang Cheng hahaha, who knows what strange turn of events would that bring.

    So 1 point for him for saving the main character :blobjoy:

    2. Jin Zixuan's death really played a big role in moving the story further. But wow, they really did a big upgrade to Su She in the drama. From what I remember he wasn't part of the ambush (it would be foolish of him to do so since his secret could be revealed).

    He can control the corpses too? Now I'm just mad :blobjoy: Su She doesn't deserve all that power. He is not even 1% next to Wei Wuxian. I even forgot about him until the freaking end.

    In the novel I think Jin ZiXun was careful to clear the passage of any fierce corpses (or it was just a good addition in the donghua) to not let Wei Wuxian have the upper hand. So the only one who could have killed Jin ZiXuan was Wen Ning, since he accompanied Wei Wuxian almost everywhere.

    3. The story wouldn't have changed, but the relationship at the end between Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian would. We wouldn't have find out about Jiang Cheng's sacrifice either. Kudos to Wen Ning for telling him!

    Other things. I honestly don't know. He helped in catching the maiden statue in the beginning, but I think they could have keep on fighting until JC or LWJ arrived.

    - he protected Jin Ling and Jiang Cheng at GuanYin temple. He got hit in the chest and gained for himself a big nice hole from Nie Mingjue. Neither Jin Ling nor Jiang Cheng were capable of defending themselves at the time and one of them was sure to die since in the novel was said that the guqin or the 'xiao?' would have been too late in saving them.

    - he was mostly helping in fights I think. At the second siege too. When the fierce corpses began to attack and the ones who raised against Wei Wuxian the second time couldn't use their spiritual energy.

    Maybe there's more, but that's all I can think of right now.
     
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  20. Sauling

    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    I know right :aww: but I'm so glad you read and liked it. To me it's pretty much how I see it too although Lan Zhan already lost Wei Ying once for 13 years but I feel that after they been through all these and him experiencing what it's like to have Wei Ying with him and then as a loving married couple, it will be really hard for either one of them to go back to living a life without the other in their life, I mean just like Wei Ying said in canon, he won't be able to go back to that life without Lan Zhan in it (pre confession) :blobmelt::blobmelt:

    And for me I already headcanon the fact (with the support by MXTX) that Wei Ying will be able to form a GC again and them living happy and long long lives together :aww:
     
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