Spoiler The Founder of Diabolism

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  1. sayu9913

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    Here is the link - copy paste on browser instead of clicking directly. I managed to pre book mine, they initially will relesase 20000 now, and 30000 in the next batch.
    https://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/de...rue&short_name=h.esyq5It&sm=0514f0&app=chrome

    They will start shipping sometime in dec.
     
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    Hehe I remember that video! While some fans thought they were quite brave to shout out like that, some thought it was quite immature for them to shout out BJYX and attract attention, till now most of the BJYX has been quite under the radar specially since Xiaozhan's bday stunts. And we would like to keep it that way :):)

    I think because CBiz is so competitive and branded, fans forget they are humans. Knocking someone from above will always give the one below a boost up, and Xiao Zhan has been slaying all leaderboards since August this year. Hence along with comes fake rumors, slander, threats etc. Its so sad!!
     
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    eh... what happened on XZ's birthday that caused bjyx to go into hiding? I thought there were nice weibo b-day wishes, then some pics of him eating noodles and having a small party with some close friends including CQL cast members and maybe a few more from other projects or collabs. :hmm: Those seem quite normal to me, at least.

    Geez, I call myself a bjyx shipper and XZ fangirl, yet I didn't pick up on any of these signals or alarms. What a useless fan I'm turning out to be :blobsweat: I do spend at least an hour a day collecting new pictures and videoclips, and I just bought a 500gb disk just for that reason and it's already filled up one-fifth...

    I just have a dreadful but probably realistic premonition that this year is XZ's but next year someone else is going to overtake him. These leaderboard games don't stay still for long, do they? When I look at the 'handsome man' award list, I see there are lots of other big and longstanding celebs, actors, singers, etc. and XZ just waltz in as easily as he can be booted out if he doesn't do something major and internationally impactful for 2020.

    Thanks for the taobao link to the Untamed music cd. It seems 70-80% of the music content is a repeat of the previous OST release. I wonder if any of the unreleased songs/bgm are good or if it's just for the sake of having 'the complete collection' :blobsweat_2:
    Not too keen on the photobook, since I can't read chinese, and most of the pictures seem to come from the drama or bts'es already released... :blobunsure:
     
  4. setsuna3025

    setsuna3025 cheif protecter of WWX and LWJ love relationship

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    i saw this opn tiwtter and i was like omgggggggggggggggggg so niceeeeeeeeeeeeee
     
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    oh my god, Wu Weixian and Lan Wangji as representation for China at an international skating exhibition??

    the power, the impact, the intellect, my mind is blown
     
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    Thank you for this. I only caught this a few days ago on YouTube.

    I'm over here in America so I was thinking I didn't understand the culture. I figured ignoring, blocking, or having their accounts suspended would do but I guess if it's death threats, that's different.

    Way to ruin something nice Xiao Zhan had set up with the secret garden thing. How many celebrities do that?

    I think Yibo has been fed up for years with the media and fans. I think it was fun at first when he was in uniq but it got old quickly. He appears to be so bothered by it all and just wants to work and not do anything else.
    Fan service or interviews just seem to annoy him. He looks to be doing his best to be professional but just wants out of there. At least that's my opinion.
     
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    Wuji on Ice.
    Love the fanart...
     
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    Question to all: in the novel and Untamed, was a winter / snow / ice scene ever described in detail including the scenery, actions, what they wear, daily life, etc.?

    From Untamed, I can only remember very few snow-covered scenes which are probably done using soap bubbles or styrofoam bits so they weren't realistic-looking - and miss seeing the characters wearing anything substantially "winter fashion-y" like fur coats or thick boots:
    • Short clip of Wang Ji holding the punishment canes in front of his uncle's house and looking like a lost puppy, after he visited wifey and adopted son in Yiling.
    • Short clip of baby Wang Ji kneeling in front of his mom's house during the flasback
    • Longer scene of WWX enjoying his Emperor's Smile at the verandah of the Jingshi with LWJ playing guqin inside and they reminiscent about their past and hopes for their future. This is one of my favourite iconic Wangxian moments, also the one where WWX started to grow on my mom coz she was going on and on about how the poor malnourished-looking boy could be feeling cold standing out in the snow coz the snowfall was getting heavier and oh my he's just wearing two or three thin layers, BUT MOM THAT'S JUST SOAP BUBBLES OR STYROFOAM ONLY, PUH LEEZ. :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy:

    I'm very interested to know what was written to qualify as 'death threat' to Wang Yibo, and give an insight to how those twisted minds work... I've been staring at this looping clip of Yibo dancing to a candy-crush bubblegum pop music piece (look at the legs, the cute bunny hoppin' legs), and cannot understand how someone would want to hurt a sweet boy like him... :blobpats:

    I noticed Yibo being a bit more harsh during interviews and live events (in a good way).. he always kinda snaps at the MC for asking stupid or embarassing questions or requests, and persists to explain himself properly to clear the air.. while Xiao Zhan generally just go with the flow, play along and say something witty (but neutral).
     
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  9. Sauling

    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    I need to stop myself from ordering online, I'm always angsting over it >.<
    But I do want that new Yiling Patriarch Nendoroid though :X3:

    I see, can you tag me in here and let me know once it's release? I haven't been online much these days (due to gaming haha) :blobsweat:


    I feel you, I sent them a message on Aitai too, but they haven't responded.../ :blobexpressionless::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::blobtriumph: I won't be getting anything from that site again! >.< If they have already shipped your Wei Ying Nendoroid, then that should be fine, since you just have to wait for it. I've ordered something online, and it arrived in my country, but it hasn't cleared customs yet.... :blob_teary::blob_teary: I think maybe during these days it's really busy or something, I hope I will get this soon!! :blob_teary: It arrived in my country on the 1st November, but to this day, I have not receive this yet :blob_teary:


    I know you can change the head and the postures since that's what makes Nendoroid fun :blobsmilehappy: But I didn't know that fans went one step up in the creativity with these change of clothes, that's amazing:aww:

    Sometimes it's really obvious it's Wangxian, but sometimes I need the tags or the description to know it's Wangxian too xD
     
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    There isn't any snow in the novel.

    He does snap more. He gets the dating questions a lot and he's sick of it. Xiao Zhan doesn't like letting people down is how he put it in an interview.
    He's a people pleaser and Yibo is not.
     
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    Not hiding exactly ;) On the day of Xiao Zhan's bday, Jiang Cheng's personal number got leaked (similar to WYB/ZC before). He was seen coming out of the hotel pretty angry, his manager trying to calm him down. Online fights between MTJJ and XFX that night. Also that very afternoon, individuals posing as BJYX with masks on their faces, were outside XZ's parents house with a huge banner saying "best wishes to Wang yibo and Xiao zhan" (this is in YouTube as well). That was so embarrassing!!

    So tonnes happened.. the next day morning XZ Studio issued a statement that individuals doing this will be sued, and these unruly behaviours have greatly effected his personal and professional life.

    Recently there was a little drama with the cat pillow on Oasis. This unfortunately involved a CPF as well.

    Yesterday you must have seen the yellow banner with 'Zhan Ge didi ai ni' in the Hunan 11.11 programme and gege's gorgeous smile after! BJYX is still around dont worry!!


    I think a lot of people including XZ probably expects this to happen. For him, the only major release next year with him as lead is Oath of Love, which I imagine may not pull in too many crowds as CQL. Duoluo continent has no trailer released yet, and in others, he is either a secondary character or guest appearance. Wang Yibo has a good chance of overtaking him, & the Legend of Fei trailer looks breathtaking paired up with Princess Agents's actress Zhao Liying. Plus Kris Wu and quite a few others will have a comeback next year with Wuxia. Again the leaderboard games depends a lot on fanbase; for example Zhu Yilong hasn't been lead in a show since Guardian (not sure if he was a lead in MingLan), but is always there at the top 5 somewhere.

    There are no new releases, just the instrumentals plus OSTs all in one set. I think they've included the sheet music for Wuji.
     
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    Agree! Flashback to his Maknae days with UNIQ, where he received a bloodied T shirt on his birthday. He was the least popular member of the band those days!

    He is fed up catering fo his fans needs, but he has still mellowed/matured down quite a bit after Untamed. I think he takes Zhan ge's advice to his heart 'Wang Laoshi you should smile more'. My delulu...
     
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    Yesterday DiDi rocked the stage at Hinan 11.11! And Zhan Ge looked beautiful singing his favorite Stephanie Sun song. Thanks to Hunan TV for getting them all together again!

    Loved loved loved WUJI by ZHOU BICHANG! Loved it when fans sang the song along with her! And when she let them sing by themselves. I hope Gege and didi heard it.


    Some lovely tidbits for us WangXiao fans:
    1. Zhan Ge stood for 10 mins in the crowd watching BoDi perform.
    2. BoDi went kept walking up and down looking for his hat, not realizing Zhan Ge was already up walking on the stage for his performance
    3. Zhan Ge was all smiles looking at the 'Zhan Ge didi ai ni' lights.

    Chenqing boys (Song Lan, Yubin etc. ) had their first group performance at TMall around d the same time as well!!
     
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    Ah.. ok. I thought Untamed was snowless coz they filmed during summer 2018, and it seems to parallel with the novel too. I saw a google map containing the locations of important sects / cities mentioned in the novel mapped into today's modern China. It seems Qinghe Nie and Lanling Jin are northernmost, Gusu Lan is near the sea, Yunmeng Jiang is along Yellow River, and Qishan Wen is close to the western mountains.
    https://lalunaticscribe.tumblr.com/post/169810142471/map-of-clan-locations-in-grandmaster-of-demonic

    I would guess that Qinghe and Lanling will have snowfall similar to Beijing, Yunmeng and Qishan too because they're inland.
    Qishan probably works like a hot springs town ("onsen town" for japanese) with its active volcanoes, or a desert-like place like the plateaus/plains of Xinjiang if the Burial Mounds is an indication of what the surrounding looks like. :sweating_profusely:
    Yunmeng might experience frequent floodings due to its proximity to the Yellow River. :blobfearful:
    Gusu.. is like paradise - by the sea, yet with Avatar-like scenery that reminds me of Zhangjiajie's postcard-perfect mist-covered mountains :aww:

    Oh wow. How low can the fans go...! :blobthumbsdown::blobcurse::blobthumbsdown:

    Personal numbers getting leaked is probably a given.. after reading about a fan who cancelled XZ's flight using his personal details, I guess the actors should be more prepared. MTJJ and XFX... these are their agencies, right? Sorry, I don't really know much about the Untamed casts beyond what English-language media can tell us :blobpats:

    Holy s---.. can you share with me the YouTube link to the one where fans crowded outside XZ's parents' house with the banner? Did the video record the parents' reaction? Totally NOT cool of the crazy fans:blobnobully::blobnobully::blobnobully:... and I'm assuming XZ's parents are from "that" generation where boy x boy is frowned upon. I can only imagine XZ's worried mom frantically calling her son and "what's happening, who's this yibo, can you do something about this"... :blobtired::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

    I saw the cat pillow picture!! It looks like the real thing, and there was a note next to it. I've been meaning to ask about it.. what's going on with that pillow?? Is it a gift from fans or the hotel?? What happened in XZ's oasis site?? :blobfearful:

    YES I SAW THE "DIDI AI NI" sign at the Hunan tv show!! It was the only big bright yellow thing in the black sea of screaming fangirls, how could anyone miss that :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy: Did XZ actually laugh when he saw that sign, or was that just video-editing work that tricked me to believe that he did... :aww::aww::aww:
    Probably the same fan(s) that went to Nanjing concert with that LED banner thought it would be a waste of money to throw it away after 3rd November, so might as well re-use it in the Hunan event... :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy:

    I pray that XZ will remain at least in the top 10 for next year, and I don't even want to push my luck for anything more otherwise I'll jinx myself :blobsweat:. Being in the top 10 would put him in the same league as many big kpop and japanese celeb names. He can keep modelling for gucci and all those weird fashion brands that keep giving him 70-80's clothes to wear, he can keep appearing on advertisements for premium household goods and expensive skincare products... but please don't be like Yibo and molest that ordinary bottle of Heads and Shoulders shampoo that people can buy from the supermarket, because I have the same bottle in my bathroom and I cannot unsee the bottle everytime I take my shower... :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy: (just a joke!)

    Someone took a picture of the Wuji sheet music. Looks pretty good, I'll give a try one of these days when I dust off my piano...

    oh my god... bloodied T shirt, you say !!! :blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful: I didn't know that! Why would somebody do that?! Is it out of fan-jealousy, some kind of grudge??
     
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    Yibo rocked with MJ in spirit !!! Look at those white shoes and suave leg moves... :blobokhand::blobokhand::blobokhand:
    I noticed his co-dancers include westerners too.. wow, is his studio that good/famous now that they can hire international acts too? :blob_pompom:

    Zhan Ge looked like in his peak of health :blobicecreamlove::blobicecreamlove::blobicecreamlove: Love his formal and classy outfit, and nothing mind-boggling like his recent appearances. (burns the guccis :blobowoevil_horns:)

    I'm looking for a hd-quality recording of Zhou Bichang's performance.. will listen to its full glory and enjoy what may be the final Wuji performance of the year... :blob_teary::blobmelt::blob_teary:

    Was there any videos of Zhan Ge watching Bo Di's performance? I would really die for another bjyx visual... :blobtriumph:

    I saw that clip of Yibo looking for his hat... it's cute and I didn't squeal as much, but if you look at the lower right corner in the last 1-2 seconds, you can see a fangirl turning around (after being graced by her god(dess)' presence) and literally crumble into tears... :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy:
    The Power Of Yibo !!! :blobhero::blobhero::blobhero:
     
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    Since the other question is answered I'm focusing on this one.

    They are complaining about the incense burner chapters basically. I don't know if it's allowed to say those words here so I'll put them under spoiler.

    basically they accuse the novel of rape, incest, pedophilia, underage sex

    They also say that the novel is homophobic and sexist. That Wei Wuxian is too feminine. Stuff like this.

    And now they are attacking the donghua too because the drama never ends. I never liked the idea of a live action and now I know why too. I hope I won't be in this fandom or tgcf when the live action for that one will come out.
     
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    Thanks for sharing this!

    Well, technically the anti's aren't incorrect. So if the stories are of such perverse nature, being written in a R-18 book and hopefully with adequate warnings given all over the place... what is the actual nature of their complaint?

    I read about a case about an Chinese author who was recently arrested for writing a pornographic BL book. I remember some follow-up comments saying that it isn't "wrong" to create and publish BL material in China, but there is a law that says people aren't allow to distribute xxx number of such books or make xxx amount of sales from porn.
    Are the Incense Burner chapters printed on physical copies of books in China and sold? That would be a worry.

    Regarding the homophobic and sexist comments.. haha.. my mom said that WWX acts like the girl, and later she thinks he's the boy (main male hero) and says LWJ is the 'girlfriend' (when 'she' beautifully soars through the night sky on the rooftop). :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy: I really think such shallow comments will not hold up for long. But thanks for sharing these... by the way, where's all the drama coming from? Do you have links to their forums, groups or communities, coz I also want to snoop in and take a better look :blobninja:

    I can't vouch for the donghua.. hoping the next season will come soon, so that it'll blow the haters away :blobokhand:

    btw, I've seen a few photoshopped posters of TGCF with Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo dressed as the two main characters. Whoever wears that black eye-patch is goddamn sexy... :blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed::blobnosebleed:
     
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    True. It could be considered this way. I'm not trying to absolve it from all the faults, because there's some things that I can't agree with either.

    But for example the pedhopilia basically doesn't exist and whoever claims otherwise should check the wiki and reread that part.

    The incest thing is part of JGY character and basically shows how he would do anything and step on anyone to get what he wants. It was only mentioned and I'm glad that it stopped there. So it didn't bother me.

    The underage age sex and rape is all in one. In the incense burner. I didn't find it disturbing or anything because it didn't actually happened in 'real' in the novel.

    What I didn't like though was how Wei Wuxian took advantages of Lan Wangji when he was drunk the third time. I understand Lan Wangji loved him and accepted everything, but just didn't sit well with me. Same with the tree kiss. It was hot and everything, but the lack of consent doesn't sit well with me.

    The homophobic part too. Ffs. If MXY wasn't treated like that, WWX would never be resurected. And that's how things work in real life too wtf. There are shit people and understanding people, or people who don't give a fuck about them.

    And they complain that only mxy (the only other gay in the series) gets this treatment. I'm sorry, but who would dare to say anything to WWX and LWJ?

    And these people don't care about anything but their opinion. Just throwing shit and be proud of it.

    The fact that they keep complaining about it pisses me off. I understand they don't like it, it's in their right. But straight up hating something and then having the audicity to say that mxtx deserves to go to jail or die because of what she wrote, the source of their 'masterpiece' cql, I mean.. how can I not get pissed??

    I do not have the links, since there are people spread everywhere. But I saw a thread on tumblr named anti-mxtx or something. I do not know what's it about there. Or you can try to search on twitter. I don't know if you'll find them though.

    From what I know, mxtx first two works are blocked on the original site, I think she edited the scenes and the work no longer has the 18+ parts.

    I don't know about what to say if the books are sold uncensored in china, I really don't know what's there and don't want to talk out of my a**.

    Well, mxtx is a female author. Do not know her sexuality and I don't care either. But as a female you can't know how it feels to be a man or a gay man. Like a man doesn't know how it is to be a female. So I can't blame her here. I like this wei wuxian very much.

    I don't even care anymore about the donghua or the novel. I'm just fed up.
     
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    Finally Chapter Seven... oh god, it's been hard to write this and keeping it under wraps...
    My mom walked past behind me a few times, coz she knows I'm "writing stories about Chen Qing Ling" which she just tsk-tsks coz she thinks I'm just going through another passing fad...

    She says, Are you writing about Wei Ying and Lan Zhan again? :blobconfused:

    Yes mom, don't disturb me.:blobsmirk:

    Then she asks, What is there to write about? Season two? About them living together and going around and fight new monsters?:blobthinkingsmirk:

    Part of me is already crying tears of happiness because she openly talks about BL (LIVING TOGETHER YES TWO MEN LIVING TOGETHER HOOO YES):blob_pompom:
    ... and another part of me is crying because the stuff I write is SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST "LIVING TOGETHER" :blobnosebleed:

    Yes mom, yes and yes... being non-specific here :blobjoy:

    Then she goes, Ah.. so it's about this Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo that you talked a lot about recently. Do you write about them living together and doing stuff together too?

    HOLY SHEET. My 60-year old mom doesn't know when to stop.

    :blobparty::blobparty::blobparty:
    Sexy times with Wangxian (going on and on...!)
    https://archiveofourown.org/works/20963498/
     
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    Regarding the first case, I feel a lot of the fans who are fighting about those issues are actually underage themselves. This fandom specially the ones stanning WYB/XZ and hence Untamed could be anywhere from 15 to 30s. It's hard to fight with them... found this the hard way:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

    On the same vein, these Anti-Fans could be fans of other authors, like Priest for example. Priest vs MXTX is legendary. Next year a couple of Priest IPs are being made into live-action. It could be a result of that.. I dont know

    Yes the author was jailed, but there's so many discrepancies about that. I remember reading this news on BBC and was really scared for Chai Jidan, whom I used to follow then. But some say that particular author sold books to underage kids.. etc. Etc. So I dont know what to believe. China is very strict on that front, I remember this because the producers of Untamed had made it clear, while every member could chose which version of the book to read, Wang Yibo was given the censored/edited version only because he was still underage then (20 yrs old)