Spoiler The Founder of Diabolism

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  1. Lucasta MeiMei

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    I just went on twitter and this is the first thing I saw. Like... alright. The number of times I've seen stuff like this or worse is just ridiculous.
     
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    This is sad and pitiful if it's true. I don't know anything about Priest but I hope they'll have the succes they deserve.
     
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    Awesome.. please post the stuff you find here to generate some serious discussions :blob_coffee:

    I googled a bit and found a anti?-mxtx? tumblr site, but navigating through tumblr is an awful experience because it works like a personal blog site. Hard to find any good discussions among people, because it's always the tumblr owner vs. the commenters.. or maybe I'm doing in wrong :blobsweat:

    Then I found this reddit r/MoDaoZuShi, which I didn't really explore before coz its topic-focused format tend to lead to endless rants on the same topic until interests dry up.

    There's probably good reasons why I like this forum, people just come in and talk, talk, talk anything under the sun about MDZS and stuff related to it :blob_plusone: Here we have nice light chit-chat without going deep into controversies and really irrelevant points such as politics, religion, sexuality, censorship and all that crap. :blobpeek: How many of you have been into yaoi/bl (oh hell, lets also add hentai) since the 80's or 90's, and if you are part of this demographic, you're probably already so jaded with these arguments and can easily switch-off :blobangel:

    Most of the arguments are, as you lovely ladies point out, are probably raised by:
    • overtly-sensitive people who cannot take 'no' for an answer, cannot argue rationally, and will argue for the sake of arguing - those emos, drama queens, attention-seekers:blobamused:

    • people who have own/hidden agenda to advance their personal interests - those people who firstly declare that they are lgbt or whatever groups they are affiliate to, then how the MDZS universe rub them in the wrongest ways, and yet they stay in the fandom to torture themselves (and others) about their sufferings. Their logic fails me.:blobsleepless: Also, any anti's should be in this category.

    Pedo, incest, underage, raep, homophobes, blah - clearly, these people have not lived or researched long enough to qualify to speak about BL and in particular MDZS or whatever BL stuff that MXTX is writing. People who dare to declare themselves worthy of R-18/Mature stuff should soak up enough R-18 stuffs, before starting intellectual discourses on R-18 stuff like MDZS ... :blobpopcorn_cool:

    Even if MXTX did write those chapters with such intentions to portray such perverse relationships - what the heck is wrong with that? It's like picking a yaoi/bl manga from the R-18 section of the bookshelf, and then screaming to the shopowner that the pictures of two men having sex in the book, is morally wrong. :facepalm: I wouldn't even go so far as to defend the story and justify that "it didn't actually happen that way because xxx", coz it doesn't matter. It's R-18. Basically in the same league as all those porn books out there with dirty relationships used as plot devices or mindless entertainment - and if those plot devices are well used, then makes for a great story to read for us adults :blob_sunglasses:

    Sure, some things may not sit well with us, like being non-consensual etc. - that's just cherry-picking on an awesome story that can't satisfy everyone 100%, but at least 99% :blobowoevil: Personally, I don't like the lack of lube used during the sexy parts, but who am I to argue this? :blobcheeky:
    If you come across any live links, please share because I'd love to watch the drama unfold with a bucket of popcorn in my hands :blobpopcorn:

    On underaged fans... now that could be a problem because of legal issues. They need to be clearly segregated from adult fans. The assumption we should have to work is that as responsible and knowledgeable adults, we should be perfectly fine with stuff about XZ, YB, bjyx, Untamed, MDZS and other MXTX works, regardless porn or not. Those adults who can't get along, are probably in one of the two categories I mentioned above, and should be booted out of the discussion.

    Wow, what hastags do you use in twitter to find such good comments?! :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy: MDZS and nsfw in the same sentence... pure gold comedy there !!! :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy:
     
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    I honestly use just mdzs tag and come across them without wanting to.

    And I agree so much with what you said. I can't word it right, because I was never good with words in the first place. It's not like they didn't know what they got themselves into and what kind of things r18+ presents. Not always, but it's a pretty good chance to find something not on their liking.

    Most of them are not even allowed to read it anyway.

    And again, I agree with you about the disliking things. Nothing is perfect so of course we're gonna find faults in it. And everyone has a right to dislike it. It's just annoying how they say it like they are cool or something. I wouldn't be surprised if it became a trend to hate it just because others did.

    I doubt I will come ever again across links and fights since I plan to stay away from mdzs on those social media. It's a cursed place.

    I'm so tired. I can't think right now to form something choerent. I was just fed up and wanted to vent a little :blob_teary:
     
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    He was trending on Weibo after the performance, how good he looked despite the poor Stage Lights. And gosh, his voice was so beautiful!! His SuperTopic on Weibo is back to trending at 1, followed by Zhu Yilong and Yibo.

    Not sure if you are active on Twitter, here is a tweet that covers a lot of candies, the whole 2 minute video :
    https://twitter.com/od0_0bo/status/1193675717109673984?s=19

    This video has been doing rounds on Instagram as well!
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4uAIAqA-4P/?igshid=14lrymdhc4max
     
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    This guy below posts a lot of information from Weibo, just need to be a bit patient :)
    He mentions about the birthday incident. Quite a few people wrote about it on Tumblr as well.


    A Hotel attendant had accepted that gift from a BJYX / CPF and put it in his room. Xiao Zhan took a photo of it and added in his Oasis. When it was later found out it was a gift from a fan, the hotel attendant got fired, Xiao Zhan changed hotels, he deleted that cat pillow photo and replaced it with an all black picture. XFX (Xiao Zhan's fan Xiao Fei Xia club, also known as Peter Pans in english) blamed CPFs for this, even though it could have been literally anyone.

    Btw, MTJJ stands for Moto JieJie literally meaning Motorbike sisters, they are the unofficial fan club for Yibo. I quite like this name actually :)

    If you follow Cynthia's videos, observe her comment section. Quite a lot of info is in there.

    One of the reasons why I really hope UNIQ doesn't get back together :( it's not a grudge, just pure bitchiness. Btw, it was most likely a shirt with red ink.. sort of meant to bring bad luck.

    Honestly through Untamed, I'll continue to stan YiZhan. CQL/MZDS is over, but these guys still have stories to tell with their beautiful acting and songs.
     
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    What?? A bloody shirt? Why? Where is the info on this? What the hell??
    He was the least popular? Why?? I thought he was the most popular.

    What cat pillow? What's the story there?

    Right!! What is up with China's fashion? I'm always seeing them in 80's and especially 90's clothes. What the heck?



    What are these acronyms
    Bodi
    Didi ai ni
    Bjyx
    Cpf
     
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    About the Acronym:

    Bodi = Bo (Yibo) + Di (short for didi - younger brother). In Untamed BTS, there was a scene where Xiao Zhan and Yibo kept calling each other 'Zhan Ge' and Bodi'. It was quite cute actually!!!!

    Didi Ai Ni = The full sentence goes ' Zhan Ge Didi Ai Ni'. It means Zhan Ge - Didi loves you! In Untamed BTS, Wang Yibo shouts it out loud to Zhan Ge twice :whistle::whistle: and Zhan Ge made funny faces in return.

    CPF = Couple Fan / RPF fans of Untamed

    BJYX= Fan club name of Untamed RPF. Bo Jun Yi Xiao = it's a play on the names of Yibo and Xiao Zhan. It actually means to do anything to make a loved one smile. It is currently trending at No. 1 on Weibo CP Hot Topic page.

    In any concert with Yibo and XZ, if you see yellow coloured light stands or banners, they belong to BJYX.
    Here are some examples of BJYX support:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4rF3vXADpD/?igshid=kh53fww7vj9u
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4upqxZl7XL/?igshid=1w2rfrtjad4x
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4sk7JfqiUC/?igshid=1qx4og7uocaxz
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4sYORUgvxk/?igshid=16btjyjgi0bin
    (This banner says Zhan Ge didi ai ni, Xiao zhan laughs when he saw that)

    Initially he was the least popular member, with his hair dyed blonde etc. The shirt was most likely dyed with red ink meant as a symbol of bad luck. KPop industry isn't always kind to newcomers.


    Adding a cute Zhan Ge interview, finally saw it with English subs:
     
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    Thank you! That helps so much.

    About the shirt. I tracked down the info.

    An anti fan threw red paint on them during their rehearsal. The guys didn't know what was going on. They thought it was part of the show and also good luck since it was red.

    https://uniqlamb.tumblr.com/page/4
     
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    Damn anti-fan!!!! :blobangery::blobpensive::blobpensive: They're everywhere!! Thanks for tracking this down! I remember this made news during the time and a lot of us were shocked even though we didn't follow UNIQ then! I'm so glad all members are doing well now and Yehuwa is actually promoting them
     
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    Ah.. MDZS tag.. that's absolutely lethal for me, because the amount of tweets found will keep me glued to the handphone for many days!! :blob_grin:

    I tend to keep to the chinese hashtags.. I have this strange and probably untrue belief, that this would yield more "authentic" content and updates, hopefully from chinese-speaking tweeters or serious fans who are closer to the source of truths...
    #陈情令
    #魔道祖师

    Try these tags, you will get less drama, personal opinions, anti's flames and other sort of sewer-quality crap :blobsweat_2:
    I guess it's OK to vent here. I'm perfectly fine with it and in fact, appreciate to listen to what people think and feel... Maybe we can help to console each other when we feel down! :blobpats:

    Ahh!! I saw this on youtube too! There was a comment somewhere that MXTX actually sang it. It's a little off-tune, so it feels real to me (i.e. not done by a trained professional singer). She has a good voice, and I wonder if she sang or karaoke'd other songs too?
     
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    AHH!! I wanted to say something about the Stage Lights, but I thought I just being overdramatic and bitchy about it. All the red and black/darkness on stage was really bad and I could hardly see Yibo's moves at some point. Thanks for sharing the clip from the "Chinese news star" youtube channel (the guy reading news from China entertainment scene), he said this and I feel that my suspicions are validated! :blobcheeky:

    Somehow, I felt even the Nanjing concert 1st day had some bad lighting moments, and my bby Zhan Ge didn't look shiny (yeah he was sick too)... the 2nd day and the Thailand FM was alright, and everyone looked fine.. no weird moments of strange-looking faces, bad make-ups etc. due to bad lights.

    Thanks for all the awesome links! It's really wonderful to be able to see XZ and YB during off-stage and from different angles.. the picture quality is a bit small and blurred.. but I'll take whatever is available :cookie::cookie::cookie: So glad XZ and YB had their gazing moments there too, although from a far, far distance this time :blobmelt::blobmelt::blobmelt:

    MTJJ and XFX.. whats with all these acronyms !! It's hard to remember all of them... :blobsweat:

    Too bad about the cat pillow incident, and thanks for explaining what happened. People shouldn't be losing their jobs coz of pandering to some fan's harmless request :blobexpressionless: I've seen pictures of XZ's cat... I think its name is called peanut or groundnut or something. Does YB have pets too? Who else from Untamed cast have pets? :blobdog:

    Thanks for the tumblr link!! Wow, that red paint splash looks nasty indeed. I saw in a couple of pics that they apprehended the suspect, and it's a guy..! If it's a rival group's fangirl, I could understand the motive... but a guy..?! What would a guy hold a grudge against UNIQ or even young Yibo, we'll never know :blobfearful: He must've been 18 or 19 years old then, that incident would be quite traumatizing for such a young guy back then, just starting out in the entertainment industry...

    Those publicly-displayed BJYX pics among the LED Zhan Ge Didi Ai Ni's... :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy:
    the 1st pic, display boards of WYB and XZ - I think I saw another clip where these boards are put up near the Nanjing concert, and people setting up small stalls in front of them to sell Untamed / bjyx merchandise.
    the 2nd pic, ferris wheel... HOLY, did people really do that! How rich are these fans and to what extent do they confess their love for bjyx!! :blobjoy:
     
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    THIS.

    THIS is what I'm looking for :blob_plusone::blob_plusone::blob_plusone::blob_plusone::blob_plusone: Thank you !!!

    Real interviews dealing with raw issues, unfiltered and uncensored (where possible).

    Are there similar interviews done with Yibo or other Untamed cast members? I would love to hear from Yibo's point of view, though I'm not sure if he's the kind of person who would willingly want to bare his soul and still be able to act like a gentleman in front of the camera, when asked with such harsh questions or statements.

    After watching the interview, I can emphatise more with Xiao Zhan. CQL Untamed really turned his world upside down, and he's charting new territories but he's still doesn't have solid footing yet. He's trying to be nice, and he is indeed a nice guy, but there's so many things happening that threaten to ruin his happiness, feelings, and relationships :blobsob:
     
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    This was shorty after they debuted so he is only 17 maybe just turned 18. Super messed up.


    Right! I always wonder what they are really thinking when it comes to fans. When I see those vids of them getting swarmed, I feel so uncomfortable. They are being professional trying to deal with it all but they have to be flipping out in their heads.

    I'm happy Xiao Zhan got his big break but this is ridiculous. No one wants this. It goes with celebrity but this way too extreme.

    Affecting his relationships is a big one. When he became a part of xnine, he said it was drilled into them that dating would end their career. He has that mindset that he'll be out of job if he starts dating. He's even accepted that he might stay single. Damn.




    What is the thing with the cat pillow? I'm still confused why the guy got fired and why Xiao Zhan had to change hotels.
     
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    setsuna3025 cheif protecter of WWX and LWJ love relationship

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    hahahhahahahah u need to stop ur hands from movin on its own when u do online shopping ahhahahahahah :blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy: *ties ur hand for u* :blobcheeky::blobcheeky::blobcheeky::blobcheeky::blobcheeky::blobcheeky::blobcheeky: so u stop orderin online hahahahha. yup im joso gettin the yiling laozu nendo lololol



    ok sure will look out for the new and update u. ohhhhhhhh wat game? ps4? i need to go bak to playin my ps4 hahahah




    ohhh i got it mix up lolol:blobcheeky::blobcheeky::blobcheeky: its the tokyo otaku mode tat send me sayin tat my lan wanji nendo has been shipped and all the while i hav been talkin about tokyo otaku mode. hahahahah but i check my other email, and i hav not recieved even a email sayin it had shipped my wei ying nendo at all im like wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. ya same not gettin anything from aitai anymore like even if they say when release they nvr say like roughly when will com even if hav oso exceed the time frame and even take so long .

    wattttttttttttttt hw com haven go through customs, they think wat bomb ah lolol its been stuck at ur contury custom for 12 days wth they must be super bz if not they think its a bomb and need check super throughly:blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy::blobjoy: but i think its mostly they bz and hav alot of others package tats y delay but delay until so long something wrong. try callin them?




    i even saw one korean fan on twitter tat person even had a mini classroom (either handmade or buy) and put wangxian inside the mini classroom and its like high school durin class. im like woooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww tat was so damn nice sia
     
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    I think when celebrities book hotels, they are assured a hundred percent privacy in their rooms. For a hotel worker to accept something from a fan and put it in his personal room is probably against the rules big time and would hamper the hotel's reputation. Worse case I guess, fangifts are expected to be handed over to his team or manager. Those days are gone when Xiao Zhan would accept gifts from fans at airports or share sweets with them. He is an A Lister now, and he needs to be careful of sasaengs.
     
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    Oh, I get it. That makes sense now.

    I get so uncomfortable when I see those vids of them getting swarmed by fans. It sucks that it's like this for him now. He likes all the fan stuff too but now it's turned into a monster.
     
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    You know that the day's gonna be great, when you're having eggs and toast this morning and

    YES OH MY GOD YES XIAO ZHAN's FACE APPEARS IN THE NATIONAL NEWSPAPERS TODAY

    and proceed to scream to whoever's in the house, Mom! Mom! come look, look here, it's him again on today's Star newspapers! :blobxd::blobxd::blobxd:
    (okay, just a corner of a pullout... but still...)

    For once, bby Zhan Ge isn't wearing anything over the top, and he looks awesome with his Qeelin jewelry.
    Ah, how I wish we got to see Wei Wuxian getting accessorized... you know, putting on some bling blings even a necklace or bracelet, during the filming of Untamed. :blobxd::blobxd::blobxd:

    :blobhighfive: It's cool when the newspaper says that XZ is the hottest star in China right now :blobhighfive:
     
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    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    Yeah I'll try to convince myself to stop buying (if they stop advertising things that tempt me here!! :blobsalt::blobsalt:) But I still want to get that Wei Ying Nendoroid :aww: ~ Ok, please, please tag me in here so I know once it's out since I haven't been online much these days :blobconfounded:

    Not sure if I've shown you yet, but I got these recently ~
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    Digimon Story, Cyber Sleuth :) I'm very addicted to this game (on Switch) at the moment :aww: And apparently I have plans to play the Hacker Route as well, even when Pokemon Sword and Shield is coming out this Friday loll

    I see, I hope it goes well for you, I am also waiting for a Pre-Order on my end... :blobexpressionless:
    With Aitai, you might want to check on the website, to see the actual release date for your Wei Ying Nendoroid, since Pre-Order can take up 2 months after release date (from experience...) :facepalm:

    I guess they might have been super busy or something... Whaterver it is, I just want my item safely, so as long as they can give me an update and not ignore me when I send them messages, then I can at least be at ease... :blobsalt:

    Can't call them, since it's international :blobcheeky::blobcheeky: And there's no contact # to call them anyway. So I can only use email :blob_teary:

    But anyways, I hope your Wei Ying Nendoroid and Lan Zhan Nendoroid arrive safely for you :cookie: Do share the good news, once it arrives! ;) I am looking forward to seeing how you are going to assemble it :cookie:


    Oh man, these fans is so creative haha :blobpopcorn: Some hardcore fans can really be creative in doing something beyond what was given, and you call that hardcore fans, but not that I love Wangxian any less though, I just don't have the equipment/materials to do it (lol). :blobsweat::sushi_hide:
     
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