This is why he didn't help Archer girl with explaining how to clear the floors. He needed her to be as strong as possible to beat his floor 17 self. The MC at floor 17 is probably stronger than even floor 100 hard players. That was probably beyond the expectations of the architect. Well.. it's a pretty shitty level regardless.
It's pretty much the expectations of the architect, I think. The whole point of hell difficulty is to create a ridiculously powerful player, and MC needing to get a partner at floor 61 means he needs to help someone beat who he was back then. So it makes sure that even the strongest asshole can't forcibly keep info from everyone else so he can be the only one to win. And if he dies before that, then he isn't that strong no one can get there.
Remember how difficult the first few floors were? Now what? He's been not taking floors seriously, making things harder for himself, clearing things in difficult ways and breaking through floors with brute force. The higher the floor the harder it is supposed to be, you know? My point is that the MC is waay too strong for floor 17, even for hell difficulty.
You are saying this, but he almost died on multiple recent floors. Being way stronger in some ways does not mean that it hasn't been challenging at all, and does not mean it's not considered normal for a hell difficulty participant to do exactly what he does. Take the 13th floor for instance. Getting to 15's monk combat is 'enough' only in the sense that you will suck if you just do that, and the floor purposefully wants you to go farther. It's possible if you have a team to be much weaker than he is, but Hell difficulty seems designed to make it difficult to have a team if you haven't had someone stronger teaching you. He is strong and in some way overpowered compared to the minimal difficulty of the floors.... but at the right level when compared to the full difficulty of the floors.
Well, there's another way of looking at it: the floors in the Hell Tutorial are supposed to have a high failure rate. Depending on how strong the previous guy who passed through was, this could even be a relatively easy floor. Sure, in this case, MC is quite strong. But from the POV of some poor guy starting off at Hell Difficulty, even Floor 1 would appear to be equally unsurmountable.
I wonder if one of the reasons the MC is upset is that he got cloned by the Tutorial, just like all the guys he met on all the floors before got cloned. In the story, everyone thinks that the MC is abnormal and insanely strong, both himself, the other players and even his opponents. The other hell difficulty player didn't seem that strong in comparison. He lost to the hard difficulty players in the last tournament. One of the reasons he was so devastated this chapter is because he believes him getting defeated by another player at that level is almost impossible.
Well the fact that he had a the demon inside and didn't noticed at all, how did the demon entered if he just arrived at that floor???
I did. He had the demon inside and didn't know about it, what did I miss??? And no I am not talking about the 17th floor I am talking about what transpired on the 16th floor.
Hm~ well I'm sure they can put it in when he joins a stage... We don't know how the auto heal thing works either~
He put together clear walkthroughs for each of the floors and spent a lot of the points he'd earned up to floor 61 (and even farmed more!) in order to equip her and teach her enough OP skills to survive floor 17. She's taken a different path in growth (evasion instead of toughness, ranged attacks/magic instead of melee) but every step of the way she's gotten help from our MC. And that still isn't as helpful as Talaria's Wings. Stupid God of Adventure.
from what i understand HoJae doesn't tell her that much, he only gives her hints on the majorly fucked parts that are super un-fair. his reasoning is that if he helps too much then she will die from being coddled and unprepared when it gets even harder.
Hell difficulty wasnt supposed to be soloed. Part of the reason he is TOO STRONG is that he spent extra time a few rounds soloing GROUP floors. All solo floors are actually perfectly possible if your lucky (and dont get killed by an arrow to your face) and went through group floors in a group. Plus Hojae is abnormal, clearing floors abnormally. Surviving a jungle for 25 days became killing all life in the jungle. assassinating a king became slowly undermining the entire country's defenses and destroying their entire military. surviving trap hell became clearing an impossible obstacle course. clearing 15 dojos became clearing 30 dojos (you are encouraged to continue but werent meant to clear all 30 since the last few dont actually try to kill you and assuming you dont become brain dead in the last one an eternity in mental state would still lead have time passing with you ending and clearing the round in 30 days time) You do not have to be ridiculously strong like Hojae to beat the doppelganger in floor 16. As stated, a series of events where you become friends with the residents trapped in the cave leads to them not wanting to kill you, leads to self torture, results in the doppelganger hidden in your body to be revealed and killed.(This doesnt have to include you kicking their asses if you had better social skills than Hojae) The other doppelganger could be found using trial and error assuming it doesnt change between rounds.(Again does not have to include everyone ganging up on you if you had better social skills) As such, it is the assumption of the architect that you beat everyone once and fail then do it peacefully which reveals the second doppelganger in you.
Pretty much this. Although the other hell challengers didn't hit the biggest road block yet, the solo-clear group stage, but I find it hard to imagine your average hell player to beat him without a better clear. Which means that unless his proteges followed his instruction to hit the toughest clear, it'd be impossible for self-struggling, even with resource funneling, to achieve a power system strong enough to survive. Still, the fact that the 17th-floor boss is him doesn't bode well for the guy on 4th. I can't gather which is more painful for MC, for the 4th to die because of floor 17th or before it. The former means MC playing a direct hand in killing him and the latter means failing to reach his standard, dieing an inevitable dead.
Hell difficulty is actually supposed to be solo'd until someone strong enough teach a group of younger people enough to survive as a group. Most single floors are still deadly to Hojae as long as he tries to get a perfect clear, and if one doesn't try to go for a perfect clear the opposite happens and you get weaker and weaker until you can't do things anymore. There is a reason pretty much everyone dies quickly in Hell, and it's because group play is supposed to be there only for the extremely lucky or later on as an added mentor situation. Sadly, it's been said in one of the first chapters that the highest challenger in Korea apart from him failed on the 17th floor. Yeah, beating him would be hard, but anyone who manages to succeed in hell difficulty is going to be incredible in their own rights, and would have 'a shot', especially with more knoweldge.
I will null and void your argument right now. Hojae isn't supposed to represent the typical hell tutorial community nor how it is supposed to run. One of the reasons is that you can apply your situation to ALL difficulties. People die in every difficulty easy and normal. Difficulty differences is just that, differences in difficulty. Everyone starts out solo but they are meant to come in groups every few floors in party rooms. What is NOT supposed to happen is one person soloing a floor that requires a group of 6 to complete ALONE. I will go back to the first floor. Hojae came in with a GROUP. Although each of them goes into the first floor individually, they were meant to go up in a relatively similar pace. Just like EVERY other difficulty, the waiting room in Hell 1st floor was shared. This was shown when Hojae instead running immediately, went back to the waiting room and met someone else in his group that thought the same thing. The problem here is everyone else got killed by the first trap. An arrow aimed at your vitals. Hojae was the sole survivor because he had a shield and sword and covered his vitals. This may seem unfair but to put into perspective, it is unfair to normal people only, and to seasoned warriors and soldiers who choose something called Hell protecting your vitals should be common sense. Remember this waiting room is SHARED, meaning information gathering between EQUALS is possible. Every floor after that is still humanly possible, a bit unfair but some fair when put into perspective and humanly possible. Second floor bossroom mind rape. It does not kill you, they give you the option to retreat to the waiting room anytime. Failure just means you try again next time until you get used to seeing the same traumas until you get dulled to it. Third floor boss: jumping platforms with trap hell if you fall. It eventually gets to a point where jumping is impossible and you are MEANT to fall into trap hell and survive it. Fourth floor boss: assassinate the king. You only have to kill one goblin, not destroy the entire nation. Running away and hiding are options. Fifth floor bossroom: fighting Iphy the strongest lizard woman. You are told to get a gun. Her skill to become intangible has a cool down so your are meant to shoot her immediately after your first attack, before she can become intangible again. NOT BEST her in hand to hand combat. Sixth floor: the first party floor and where things go wrong. ASSUMING your friends did not get an arrow to the face you would have had a group of similarly strong allies to push back the skeleton army and kill cultists. NOT destroy an unending army by yourself reach the cultists yourself. It is after this where he is overpowered for his floor and starts skipping them. To continue the trend here are some honorable mentions: Find the hidden treasure buried under some ruins. Once you run out of temples to explore the only option left is digging. Again you are meant to FAIL and talk it out with your friends to brain storm ideas in the waiting room. A couple of mentioned party rooms The dojo. Here is another interesting one, none of the monks here are trying to kill you, only the lower ranked ones who haven't fully matured yet. You are encouraged to continue as far as far as you can but again the master monks are there to teach you, not kill you. Even the last room, assuming you reach that far. Even if you go into a coma, IF you don't die, time still passes and your body will be forced out of the tutorial once the round ends. To quote Rick and Morty, "our bodies have remained unchanged but our minds have lived many lifetimes." Even if you take an eternity in your mind, time for your body still passes. If you aren't dead, feeling will return to you when the waiting room heals you and you are outside the dark senseless environment. Hojae is the outlier, not the standard, if you think you are supposed to be able to get passed lvl 100 on floor 60 or shake the fabric of reality with your mental anguish just because you are at hell difficulty, you are crazy. Hell is NOT Supposed to be Soloed!!! Hojae messed everything up, someone that strong was not supposed to become the floor 17 boss. If a normal person did, they would be the same strength as every other explorer that reached that far. A person can beat someone else if they are similar in level of strength, someone weaker can beat someone stronger if the difference is small. At this point the only way to beat Hojae is to use unstoppable force to beat An immovable object (Hojae who is too sturdy for his own good)
Hojae's ridiculous strength growth is only there because of those skills those various gods gave him.. otherwise, he would still have to strugle a lot more before clearing each stage.. he clear every stage much faster, much easier, and can skip all the preperations and just focus on growing stronger while mastering these cheat skills. Even blink alone is already cheat enough since its basically an out of jail free card while it can also be used as an attack skill from the blind spot whenever he wants to. If the gods gave him talaria's wings, blink, etc2 and doesnt give it to the next chellenger, that wont really be fair..
I agree, but it has to be said that Hojae only got those gods skills so early because of his monstrous willpower and inherent skill. he cleared the first two floors in 1 cycle each getting him the teleport ability that kick-started his absurd growth. most people take 3 or even more cycles to finish just the first floor, more for the second. Hojae literally tortured himself 24/7 for these things better than anyone ever.
They gave the highest ranking player a unique world class weapon specially made for him that can boost his battle capability by more than 50% and copy it as the base enemy boss. Not to mention that player is the craziest grinder in the whole comunity. Even if the highest ranking player pops up with better spec then him, without these weapons, they would still be on the floor facing that.. I think the gods is the one that broke the balance. These cheats pop out randomly on the gods whim aswell..
I agree, the gods are at fault for him becoming broken OP and at the level he is now, but even without it i still believe he would have become one of the strongest people to ever go into the tutorial, he was a prodigy in the realm of monsters.